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Flawed Assumptions Underlying Guestworker Programs (Testimony)
Center for Immigration Studies ^ | 03/24/04 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 04/05/2004 7:12:54 AM PDT by looscnnn

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1 posted on 04/05/2004 7:12:54 AM PDT by looscnnn
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To: Bikers4Bush
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2 posted on 04/05/2004 7:15:46 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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3 posted on 04/05/2004 7:17:27 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: looscnnn
Great article.

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Hoppy
4 posted on 04/05/2004 7:39:45 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Support Free Republic
The tack this expert witness has taken is to demolish assumptions.

Having done research for a year, I am too well aware that any framework or assumptions are ultimately false. They are set up to simplify and used in decision making. Perhaps that is why financial concepts such as CAPM, EVA and etc can all be destroyed. Yet, people have continued to use them because we lack something better.

That is, if this expert witness were to turn around and examine the assumptions behind anti-terrorism policies, he would be able to find assumptions that are false.

What does that mean? It mean that we can take any policy and we still would not know how it might turn out. Do scarcity necessarily lead to innovation? If you look at Japan, Australia and etc, yes.

If you look at other poor countries that also faced scare resources, no.
5 posted on 04/05/2004 7:53:49 AM PDT by wormsy
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To: looscnnn
I'm a baby-boomer who had it beat into my head back in the '70's that there were too many people on the planet, too many people in the U.S. for our ecology to support, and that it was my "duty" to limit the number of kids I had.

Now I'm told there's a labor shortage, essentially a population shortage, and we need to import foreign laborers.

So I limited my family size to make room for wetbacks?
I've been lied to, and I'm p!ssed!
6 posted on 04/05/2004 7:54:03 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Redbob
Sorry to hear about the crap they told you, I was too young to have gone through that. Besides if they had it would not have mattered, nature has a tendency to control me so I still would have had lots of kids.
7 posted on 04/05/2004 8:01:15 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn
... in other words, allowing in illegal aliens and "guest workers" lowers the wage base and available employment for American citizens competing for the "unskilled" jobs available in America.

I wonder what the change would be in our unemployment numbers and societal costs?

Stopping illegal immigration and the flood of illegal workers and welfare queens would be a huge electoral plus for Republicans. But they won't do it. They are too afraid of offending the Hispanic panderers, corporate donors and the PC mavens.

So, I guess we'll all just have to learn to speak Spanish, pony up more tax dollars and allow our less skilled to keep becoming welfare shlumpfs while illegals continue to take over the job base and send their billions back to Mexico or wherever they came from!

8 posted on 04/05/2004 8:25:55 AM PDT by Gritty ("A balkanized, polyglot, teeming mass of strangers is not a healthy national family-Mike McGarry)
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To: looscnnn; HiJinx; gubamyster
Excellent article!

Ping!
9 posted on 04/05/2004 8:36:03 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
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10 posted on 04/05/2004 8:37:15 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: looscnnn
BTTT!
11 posted on 04/05/2004 8:40:29 AM PDT by Pentagram
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To: Gritty
"They are too afraid of offending the Hispanic panderers, corporate donors and the PC mavens."

And yet in http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8356575.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp hispanics "support the idea of prohibiting undocumented immigrants from receiving government aid such as food stamps and Medicaid."
12 posted on 04/05/2004 8:47:19 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: farmfriend
One for you.
13 posted on 04/05/2004 9:23:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Gritty
"So, I guess we will have to learn how to speak Spanish, pony up more tax dollars and allow our less skilled to keep becoming welfare shlumpfs while illegals continue to take over the job base and send their billions back to Mexico or wherever they came from!"

I have a better idea....let's start electing politicians who are going to carry out the will of the people.
14 posted on 04/05/2004 9:26:41 AM PDT by Arpege92 (America and Israel are two countries that were founded on the rejection of Europe. -Dr. M. Azaryahu)
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To: wormsy; glock rocks
"To sum up: None of the commonly held assumptions underlying support for a guestworker program is valid."
"none of the reasons usually presented by proponents is grounded in fact."

Why don't American voters mind being LIED to by their political heroes?


“The masses live by, and are ruled by, subconscious and emotional thought process. The crowd has never thirsted for the truth. It turns aside from evidence that is not to its taste, preferring to glorify and to follow error, if the way of error appears attractive enough, and seduces them. Whoever can supply the crowd with attractive emotional illusions may easily become their master; and whoever attempts to destroy such firmly entrenched illusions of the crowd is almost sure to be rejected.”
15 posted on 04/05/2004 9:50:52 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Most Of Us Are Wasting Rights Other Men Fought and Died For!)
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To: looscnnn
I have nothing to add.
Great article, thank you very much.
16 posted on 04/05/2004 12:39:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: gubamyster
Thanks for the ping. A real good read.
17 posted on 04/05/2004 3:02:22 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: Sabertooth; Brownie74; Squantos; glock rocks; JackelopeBreeder; Spiff; river rat; SandRat; Fritz
Is it just me or does anyone else find it amazing that our government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington. Also our excellent FDA detectives can track her calves to their different farms and milk stalls. But the ICE agents are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country.





The solution is to give every illegal alien a Mad cow. Then turn the search over to the FDA.
18 posted on 04/05/2004 5:47:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Most Of Us Are Wasting Rights Other Men Fought and Died For!)
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To: B4Ranch
I think it's a case of not wanting to more than can't.
19 posted on 04/05/2004 5:53:42 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
True but I wish I had Tom Ridges email address.
20 posted on 04/05/2004 6:01:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Most Of Us Are Wasting Rights Other Men Fought and Died For!)
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