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Marines Encircle Fallouja (Operation Valiant Resolve commencing)
LA Times ^ | 4-4-04 | Tony Perry and Edmund Sanders

Posted on 04/04/2004 10:01:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

FALLOUJA, Iraq — Thousands of Marines surrounded this anti-American stronghold early today in preparation for a complex raid to retake control of the city and apprehend those responsible for last week's slayings of four U.S. security contractors.

The highly anticipated action, dubbed Operation Valiant Resolve, was expected to be one of the biggest military offensives since the fall of Saddam Hussein's government a year ago.

All roads leading to this city of 300,000 were cut off and barricaded with tanks and concertina wire. Working through the cold and windy desert night, under a large moon, Marines set up camps for detainees and residents who might flee any fighting. Before dawn, several Marine positions were hit by mortar rounds and rocket-propelled grenade fire. Bursts of automatic gunfire could be heard throughout the city.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ca; fallouja; falluja; fallujah; iraq; marines; muslims; opvaliantresolve; valiantresolve
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To: Yehuda
Bump for later reading
602 posted on 04/05/2004 10:41:57 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: StarCMC
"How many Marines in a battalion???"

Not sure about marine corp manning numbers but their organization is based on the triangle, just like the Army. With full manning, a Army infantry battalion has 495 combat troops. Three battalions to a Regiment and three Regiments in a Division. Along with the basic combat troops in a division, each division has Artillery, Anti-Aircraft, Anti-tank, HQ personnel, tank support, and assorted support personnel to include services, admin types, intel, supply, etc.

As for Brigades. Brigades are a combination of Infantry, Light and/or Mech, Armour, and all support troops. Some Infantry AND Armour divisions are based on the Brigade instead of the Regiment.

Someone please correct me if I'm inaccurate.
603 posted on 04/05/2004 10:45:33 AM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: BurbankKarl
Here's what AP and Reuters doesn't want you to know about the death of the Salvadoran soldier:

From the Washington Post:

"Witnesses said they saw militiamen capture a Salvadoran soldier and execute him by forcing a grenade into his mouth that detonated."

AP and Reuters are covering up for their fellow terrorists.
604 posted on 04/05/2004 10:48:02 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: MEG33; All
Remarks by the President to the Travel Pool

Central Piedmont Community College-Central Campus Charlotte, North Carolina

April 5, 2004

11:31 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: I just met with Specialist Chris Hill's family from North Carolina. You know, I told the family how much we appreciated his sacrifice -- he was killed in Iraq -- and assured him that we would stay the course, that a free Iraq was very important for peace in the world, long-term peace, and that we're being challenged in Iraq because there are people there that hate freedom. But the family was pleased to hear that we -- its son would not have died in vain. And that's an important message that I wanted to share with you today.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. Who is the AP person?

Q I am.

THE PRESIDENT: You are?

Q Sir, in regard to --

THE PRESIDENT: Who are you talking to?

Q Mr. President, in regard to the June 30th deadline, is there a chance that that would be moved back?

THE PRESIDENT: No, the intention is to make sure the deadline remains the same. I believe we can transfer authority by June 30th. We're working toward that day. We're, obviously, constantly in touch with Jerry Bremer on the transfer of sovereignty. The United Nations is over there now. The United Nations representative is there now to work on the -- on a -- on to whom we transfer sovereignty. I mean, in other words, it's one thing to decide to transfer. We're now in the process of deciding what the entity will look like to whom we will transfer sovereignty. But, no, the date remains firm.

Stretch.

Q Mr. President, are you concerned at all that events like we've seen over the last week in Iraq are going to make it tougher to meet that deadline, or increase pressure from the U.N. or anyone else?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think there's -- my judgment is, is that the closer we come to the deadline, the more likely it is people will challenge our will. In other words, it provides a convenient excuse to attack. In this particular incident, with Sadr, this is one person who is deciding that rather than allow democracy to flourish, he's going to exercise force. And we just can't let it stand. As I understand, the CPA today announced a warrant for his arrest. This is one person -- this is a person, and followers, who are trying to say, we don't want democracy -- as a matter of fact, we'll decide the course of democracy by the use of force. And that is the opposite of democracy. And it's -- that's why the CPA issued the statement they issued.

But, Stretch, I think throughout this period there's going to be tests. We were tested in Fallujah. And the desire for those who do not want there to be a free and democratic Iraq is to shake our will through acts of violence and terror. It's not only our will, it's the will of other coalition forces and it's the will of the Iraqi people. As you know, that many Iraqis have been targeted. As a matter of fact, the al Qaeda affiliate Zarqawi made it clear that part of the strategy was to turn Shia on Sunni by killing innocent Iraqis.

And we've got to stay the course, and we will stay the course. The message to the Iraqi citizens is, they don't have to fear that America will turn and run. And that's an important message for them to hear. If they think that we're not sincere about staying the course, many people will not continue to take a risk toward -- take the risk toward freedom and democracy.

Yes, Tamara.

Q Mr. President, can you tell us a little bit about your decision-making for the next ambassador to Iraq, and what you're looking for in the person who would represent the administration?

THE PRESIDENT: Good question. I am looking for somebody who can run a big embassy, somebody who understands the relationship between an embassy and the military. Because one of the things that's going to be very important for the next ambassador to Iraq -- this will be the person that takes Jerry Bremer's place -- will be the willingness and capability of working with a very strong -- a country in which there's a very strong U.S. military presence, as well as a coalition presence. This person is going to need to have enough experience to basically start an embassy from the ground up, and also be willing to transfer certain people and authorities from the CPA to the embassy itself. In other words, it's a very complex task that's going to require a skilled soul. And we're in the process of searching it out now.

Q Mr. President, can you just tell me -- the 9/11 Commission, the Chairman yesterday, Governor Kean, said a date had been set, I think, for your testimony and the Vice President's. Is that --

THE PRESIDENT: I would call it a meeting.

Q A meeting, I'm sorry.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you.

Q Has that date been set, and could you share it with us? And number two, can you tell us the rationale as to why you have chosen to testify or rather meet with them with the Vice President?

THE PRESIDENT: First of all, it will be a great opportunity from them to ask both of us our opinions on the subject. And we're meeting with the entire commission. I'm not exactly sure what the status is of putting out the date. I told them I'd meet with them at a time that's convenient for all of us, and hopefully we'll come to that date soon.

I look forward to sharing information with them. Let me just be very clear about this: Had we had the information that was necessary to stop an attack, I'd have stopped the attack. And I'm convinced any other government would have, too. I mean, make no mistake about it; if we'd had known that the enemy was going to fly airplanes into our buildings, we'd have done everything in our power to stop it. And what is important for them to hear, not only is that, but that when I realized that the stakes had changed, that this country immediately went on war footing, and we went to war against al Qaeda. It took me very little time to make up my mind, once I determined al Qaeda to do it, to say, we're going to go get them. And we have, and we're going to keep after them until they're brought to justice and America is secure.

But I'm looking forward to the conversation. I'm looking forward to Condi testifying. I made a decision to allow her to do so because I was assured that it would not jeopardize executive privilege. And she'll be great. She's a very smart, capable person who knows exactly what took place, and will lay out the facts. And that's what the commission's job is meant to do, and that's what the American people want to see. I'm looking forward to people hearing her.

All right, got to go to work. Thanks. Good to see you all.

END 11:38 A.M. EDT

605 posted on 04/05/2004 10:52:38 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: CyberAnt
I don't know why your discussing the logistics of going in and finding the bad guys in a city. I only said that a two day gap in closing the roads would have let the shooters leave. My point is specific and simple. I am not addressing anything else.
606 posted on 04/05/2004 10:57:10 AM PDT by breakem
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To: TexKat
Thanks,TexKat.
607 posted on 04/05/2004 10:57:39 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: CyberAnt
But .. if we go in there and just start shooting up everything, how many women and children will be killed??

I don't know why you addressed the above to me.

608 posted on 04/05/2004 10:57:55 AM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
Oh excuse me .. I thought you were a sensible, logical person who might want to have a discussion. Sorry I misjudged you. You can bet I won't bother you again.
609 posted on 04/05/2004 11:26:10 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: CyberAnt
The 20,000 number?I have been wanting it verified,but the Marine number was so much lower in published reports.Could that include Iraqi soldiers,I wonder?Thanks.
610 posted on 04/05/2004 11:31:18 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: CyberAnt; MEG33
I heard that number on Fox - and they usually check out those kinds of numbers before they report them.

Fox News just now reported the number of 1,000. So who knows what the number is. Fox News is far from being the written word.

611 posted on 04/05/2004 11:31:36 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
"Fox News is far from being the written word"

Well .. if you'd rather believe CBS - be my guest! I know what I heard. If the number has changed - fine. But, I don't see how you can surround a town of 150,000, with only 1,000 soldiers, unless the rest of the group is made up of Iraqi militia.
612 posted on 04/05/2004 11:40:49 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: TexKat; CyberAnt
Maybe,it has been suggested,a thousand Marines just seems like 20,000 to those under siege!
613 posted on 04/05/2004 11:42:05 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
I don't know - I'm listening to Rush and not watching Fox.
614 posted on 04/05/2004 11:42:25 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: CyberAnt
you need to stand down and catch a breath. I just don't have much of an opinion nor experience on tactics and logictics within the city. Look at the thread and engage someone else. There's plenty to go around.
615 posted on 04/05/2004 11:43:31 AM PDT by breakem
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To: r9etb
I really don't know what difference having the 4ID in the theatre would have made to our defeat of the Saddam regime or the subsequent security challenges.

It wasn't an Abrams tank, real time data link to JSTARS, or a Longbow Apache that found Saddam in a Mosul hole and his sons in Tikrit.

It was soldiers on the ground, getting juicy tips from helpful Iraqis vying for big cash prizes.

As long as we've got the heavy armor, let's lob a few shells toward the Greek Islands. Lots of speedo wearing Eurotwits on Holiday.
616 posted on 04/05/2004 11:54:28 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Yehuda
Yes,he is very quick to judge but I found there is one thing he is concerned about..our leaving...with all the Bremer,military,Bush criticism,he doesn't want us to leave them stuck dealing with the Sadr group and the Iranian influence..
617 posted on 04/05/2004 11:56:41 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: CyberAnt
Well .. if you'd rather believe CBS - be my guest!

LOL I have not watched mainstream tv in about 20 years.

618 posted on 04/05/2004 11:57:19 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: CyberAnt
'Scuse me if I'm jumping in uninvited - I guess I am, but -- it looks like we're talking about 2 battalions of Marines, which would be from 1,000 to 1200 strong; and 2 battalions of Iraqi Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) troops.

Somebody else posted pictures on another thread showing the layout of Fallujah. It is a town of 300,000 that is laid out in a grid of streets that intersect at right angles. There are only 3 main routes into or out of the city, and they've all been shut down by the Marines.

Nobody is going in or out - period.

619 posted on 04/05/2004 12:01:33 PM PDT by HiJinx (God Bless those who protect the USA...)
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To: HiJinx
Nobody is going in or out - period

Not by the roads, at any rate. Anybody leaving by alternate routes is automatically interesting.

620 posted on 04/05/2004 12:07:24 PM PDT by r9etb
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