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10 U.S. Troops Killed in Iraqi Violence (4 April, 2004)
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Posted on 04/04/2004 4:22:35 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

By KHALID MOHAMMED

(AP) A demonstrator tries to contain the crowds during an anti-American protest in Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday...
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NAJAF, Iraq (AP) - Supporters of an anti-American cleric rioted in four Iraqi cities Sunday, killing eight U.S. troops and one Salvadoran soldier in the worst unrest since the spasm of looting and arson immediately after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

The U.S. military on Sunday reported two Marines were killed in a separate "enemy action" in Anbar province, raising the toll of American service members killed in Iraq to at least 610.

The rioters were supporters of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. They were angry over Saturday's arrest on murder charges of one of al-Sadr's aides, Mustafa al-Yacoubi, and the closure of a pro-al-Sadr newspaper.

Near the holy city of Najaf, a gunbattle at a Spanish garrison killed at least 22 people, including two coalition soldiers - an American and a Salvadoran.

(AP) Supporters of al-Sadr's self-styled militia, the al-Mahdi Army, walk towards Kufa, Iraq, Sunday...
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Fighting in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City killed seven U.S. soldiers and wounded at least 24, the U.S. military said in a written statement.

A resident said two Humvees were seen burning in the neighborhood, and that some American soldiers had taken refuge in a building. The report could not be independently confirmed, and it was unclear whether the soldiers involved were those who died.

A column of American tanks was seen moving through the center of Baghdad Sunday evening, possibly headed toward the fighting.

The military said the fighting erupted after members of a militia loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr took control of police stations and government buildings in the neighborhood.

Protesters clashed with Italian and British forces in other cities in a broad, violent challenge to the U.S.-led coalition, raising questions about its ability to stabilize Iraq ahead of a scheduled June 30 handover of power to Iraqis.

(AP) American special forces join coalition soldiers as the Spanish base comes under attack outside...
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With less than three months left before then, the U.S. occupation administrator appointed an Iraqi defense minister and chief of national intelligence.

"These organizations will give Iraqis the means to defend their country against terrorists and insurgents," L. Paul Bremer said at a press conference.

About three miles outside the holy city of Najaf, supporters of al-Sadr opened fire on the Spanish garrison during a street protest that drew about 5,000 people. The protesters were angry over the arrest of the cleric's aide, said the Spanish Defense Ministry in Madrid.

The attackers opened fire at about noon, said Cmdr. Carlos Herradon, a spokesman for the Spanish headquarters in nearby Diwaniyah.

The Spanish and Salvadoran soldiers inside the garrison fired back, and assailants later regrouped in three clusters outside the base as the shooting continued for several hours.

(AP) American soldiers take cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of...
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Two soldiers - a Salvadoran and an American - died and nine other soldiers were wounded, the Spanish defense ministry said. No other details were available.

More than 200 people were wounded, said Falah Mohammed, director of the Najaf health department. El Salvador's defense minister said several Salvadoran soldiers were wounded.

The death toll of at least 20 included two Iraqi soldiers who were inside the Spanish base, witnesses said.

Spain has 1,300 troops stationed in Iraq, and the Central American contingent is of a similar size. The Salvadorans are under Spanish command as part of an international brigade that includes troops from Central America.

Multiple train bombings in Madrid last month that killed 191 people have been blamed on al-Qaida-linked terrorists, who said they were punishing Spain for its alliance with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(AP) A Salvadorean soldier runs for cover as his base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of...
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Spain's new government, elected just days after the March 11 train bombings, has promised to make good on its pre-election promise to withdraw all Spanish troops from Iraq unless command for peacekeeping is turned over to the United Nations.

In El Salvador, the defense minister said the attack will not alter his country's role in reconstruction efforts.

"It reinforces even more our decision to continue helping a country that is suffering," Juan Antonio Martinez said Sunday.

The protesters were upset over the detention of al-Yacoubi, a senior aide to the 30-year-old al-Sadr, who opposes the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. Al-Sadr is at odds with most Shiites, who hope to gain substantial power in the new Iraqi government.

Shiites comprise about 60 percent of Iraq's 25 million people but were brutally repressed by the regime of Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Muslim.

(AP) An American soldier runs for cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms...
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At coalition headquarters in Baghdad, a senior official said on condition of anonymity that al-Yacoubi was detained Saturday on charges of murdering Abdel-Majid al-Khoei, a senior Shiite cleric who returned to Iraq after the U.S.-led invasion. A total of 25 arrest warrants were issued, and 13 suspects have been arrested, the official said.

Spanish-led forces said they did not participate in the arrest.

In central Baghdad's Firdaus Square, police fired warning shots during a protest by hundreds of al-Sadr supporters against al-Yacoubi's arrest. At least two protesters were injured, witnesses said.

In Kufa, near Najaf, al-Sadr supporters took over a police station and seized guns inside. No police were in sight.

In the southern city of Nasiriyah, Italian troops traded fire with militiamen demonstrating against al-Yacoubi's detention, said Lt. Col. Pierluigi Monteduro, chief of staff of Italian troops in the region. One Italian officer was wounded in the leg.

Also in the south, British troops clashed with protesters in Amarah, according to the Ministry of Defense in London. It was unclear whether there were casualties.

Al-Sadr's office in Baghdad issued a statement later Sunday calling off street protests and saying the cleric would stage a sit-in at a mosque in Kufa, where he has delivered fiery weekly sermons for months.

Al-Sadr supporters also were angered by the March 28 closure of his weekly newspaper by U.S. officials. The Americans alleged the newspaper was inciting violence against coalition troops.

The two U.S. Marines, both assigned to the 1st Marine Division, were killed by an "enemy action" in Anbar province Saturday, the military said. One died Saturday and the other Sunday, the statement said without providing details.

Anbar is an enormous stretch of land reaching to the Jordanian and Syrian borders west of Baghdad that includes Fallujah, a city where four American civilian contractors were slain Wednesday.

At a checkpoint in Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, that was manned by Iraqi Civil Defense personnel, a bomb killed three security officers and wounded another, workers at Samarra General Hospital said.

In Kirkuk, also in the north, a car bomb exploded, killing three civilians and wounding two others, police said.

Bremer on Sunday announced the appointments of Ali Allawi, the interim trade minister, as the new defense minister and Mohammed al-Shehwani, a former Iraqi air force officer who fled Iraq in 1990, as head of the Iraqi National Intelligence Service.

Late Sunday, U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi and a team that will assist Iraqis in the political transition to an interim Iraqi government arrived in Baghdad, the United Nations said.



TOPICS: Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; alyacoubi; casualties; fallen; iraq; najaf; religionofpieces; sadrcity
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To: Rokke
I am old but do remember all that similar whining and crap before the USA kicked the snot out of the talibans... oh, yeah and by some of the same cast of characters, I think.
201 posted on 04/04/2004 9:24:51 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Rokke
I still say the longer Bush waits to retailiate (if he ever does), the harder he will get hit at the polls.

This was no "brush under the rug" deal.

202 posted on 04/04/2004 9:30:28 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Happy2BMe
The men (only one former SEAL) killed in Fallujah weren't killed by a lightly armed mob. They were killed in a well organized ambush. Their corpses were burned and trashed by an organized mob after the armed ambushers were long gone. Even if our troops had arrived just minutes after the intial hit, they would have found no military targets.
If you need pictures of charred American corpses in Fallujah to get pissed off at these people, you're showing up late to the party and standing at the end of a long line to get in. If you think rage driven revenge is our best response, the best place for you is at the end of that long line.
203 posted on 04/04/2004 9:36:17 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
>>Do you suppose it would be a net gain for our troops in Iraq if we unleashed an AC-130 on a crowd of "civilians".

In a word, yes.

If those civilians are participating in a "protest" knowing full well that there are armed snipers among them, then they are intentionally giving aid and cover to those snipers and are just as much our enemy. If you think everyone in that crowd wasn't happy to see our soldiers killed you are insane. This is not an American style "protest" it is an armed mob, with bloodlust in their eyes, looking to kill the Infidels.
204 posted on 04/04/2004 9:38:22 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Rokke
You're right - it is a very LOOOOONG line waiting to level Fallujah.

What response in Fallujah (and Iraq) is in order here?

Does Fallujah change anything at all?

205 posted on 04/04/2004 9:39:42 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Happy2BMe
"I still say the longer Bush waits to retailiate "

Let me say this as clearly as I can. Bush does not control our military response in Iraq. That includes the timing, the tactics, and the degree of our eventual response. More than any Commander in Chief in recent history, he has made it a policy to allow the military to make tactical decisions. That means that the men who are making the decisions concerning our response to Fallujah, are the men who will lead the action in Fallujah.

206 posted on 04/04/2004 9:42:59 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Happy2BMe; xzins
Happy2BMe really hits the mark! And from what my son tells me she has a bullseye!
207 posted on 04/04/2004 9:44:15 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9
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To: Rokke; Happy2BMe
Listen, you both are valuable and it's important right now that you assist us formumnites by teaching what you know.

Fuck politics. This is war. If I could get on a plane right now to Iraq and STANCH this BULLSHIT, I would.

It's circle the wagons time. God, I may not make it through the week.

208 posted on 04/04/2004 9:45:17 PM PDT by txhurl (The Jihadists: spectacular media violence, zero military significance, huge psych significance.)
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To: txflake
Listen txflake... you need to calm down. Really. This is not up to you. There are those in command who must do their work in a calm and deliberate way. You can say 'f' politics, but even in WWII, politics were a consideration.

We won because we were both careful and BRAVE.

209 posted on 04/04/2004 9:56:03 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
I don't agree that we started this war, or many of the others either. But our culture has gotten so PC and liberal that useful idiots are squealing about any perceived hurt of the enemy, against their own fellow Americans. I wish President Bush could make "pronouncements," but he is not a ruling monarch - he is a President -things are too tangled for one person to undo them... We will all have to work to right what is wrong in this very imperfect world - so far off God's path.
210 posted on 04/04/2004 9:56:06 PM PDT by Libertina (FRee Republic - What have you done for her lately? CONTRIBUTE 5 or 10!)
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To: txflake
Thanks and point taken.

Hang in there!


211 posted on 04/04/2004 9:59:17 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: LonghornFreeper
"In a word, yes."

You are kidding right? Non-stop imagery on Al Jazeera of unarmed people getting sprayed across the town square would be a positive thing for our troops there? Do you think the average Iraqi is going to say to himself, "well, those people were giving aid and cover to the snipers, so they were legitimate targets". The people rioting today are a very small percentage of Shiite in Iraq, without a lot of popular support. But they're still Arab Muslims, and if you want to increase their numbers 10,000 fold, just pump a few 105mm shells into their happy faces. None of them are worth a single American life, but if we took your suggested course of action our guys on the ground would be fighting a couple million screaming looneys instead of a few thousand.

212 posted on 04/04/2004 10:00:13 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
The Marines are in Mortal Danger

This will show you why we are so screwed up in Iraq now:

Marine Corps commanders said they planned no change in their long-term tactics in Fallujah as a result of the deaths yesterday. Major General James Mattis, commanding the First Marine Division, has told troops that the test of their mettle will be not to lash back at the Iraqis because of casualties.

To the division's classic motto, "No better friend, no worse enemy," Mattis has affixed a preface for the mission in the Anbar Province, which includes Fallujah: "First, do no harm."

FIRST DO NO HARM. Now in the nastiest crap hole on earth with RPGs and mines and bullets flying like hail our brave Marines are being ordered by their commanding officer:

FIRST DO NO HARM.

Why not "Please Shoot Us First".
What does an enemy think when they confront an enemy who's motto is "First Do No Harm".

More Importantly, what does this do to the morale of our Marines. Marines who for hundreds of years have prided themselves on courage, bravery, leadership and not management, attacking not retreating. And now this, from one of their own! AND NOW! After such a hideous act against our Countrymen.

He who dares wins. He who hesitates is lost.
S.A.S motto


I will lose a man but not a moment.

A generals principle talent is to know his soldiers mentality and gaining his confidence

-Napoleon Bonaprte



I tell you, If this is the way we are going to fight the "War on Terror", we might as well file it right up there with the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs.

Lost.
213 posted on 04/04/2004 10:01:37 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Rokke
They were killed in a well organized ambush.

Well organized ambush? Right in town? In broad daylight? If it was organized, why didn't any friendlys warn them before the arrived at the ambush point?

Their corpses were burned and trashed by an organized mob after the armed ambushers were long gone.

So the mob was organized too? Where those little kids that were beating on the dead American's part of this organized mob?

Even if our troops had arrived just minutes after the intial hit, they would have found no military targets.

What, are we waiting for that *organized* mob of fanatics to become stronger, so one day we can consider them a military target?

214 posted on 04/04/2004 10:01:40 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: TomasUSMC
To the division's classic motto, "No better friend, no worse enemy," Mattis has affixed a preface for the mission in the Anbar Province, which includes Fallujah: "First, do no harm."

Unbelievable.....

215 posted on 04/04/2004 10:03:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Lion in Winter
I know I need to calm down but I can't.

I'm enraged, bloodthirsty, murderous and more and I can't hardly stand being here not doing anything to go after the savages.

Sorry. Guess it's some tribal American thing. Sorry if I'm too pi$$ed off that this stuff is going on and using bad words.

I will be OK tomorrow, unless more are killed and then.. you don't expect Americans to be enraged over this? What, we should just call in for tickets to Dr. Phil?

216 posted on 04/04/2004 10:05:59 PM PDT by txhurl (The Jihadists: spectacular media violence, zero military significance, huge psych significance.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Is it not incredible that after 9/11's savagery which was reflected in the Fallujah mob there are still people around here that thing that the answer is still to appease these animals?

"And now we see the consequence of weakness."


217 posted on 04/04/2004 10:08:00 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: TomasUSMC
"Marine Corps commanders said they planned no change in their long-term tactics in Fallujah as a result of the deaths yesterday."

As a Marine, wouldn't it concern you if "long-term" tactics were changed as a result of a single action? Do you think the "long-term" tactics were developed without the assumption that good guys might die at some point? These tactics weren't developed by Martha Stewert. The Marine 2 Star in charge there wears a bronze star awarded for valor in combat. This ain't no perfumed prince. Graphic violence is a shocker to someone unfamiliar with combat but burned corpses aren't a rare sight in a combat zone. Let these men do their job as professionals. Not enraged amatuers.

218 posted on 04/04/2004 10:13:33 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
I have to disagree with you. Near the beginning of this insurgency some Freepers made a ridiculous attempt to compare Iraq to Germany after WWII. There is a huge difference, and that is that we never really defeated Iraq completely. The Germans didn't do the crap the Iraqi's are doing now because they remembered a place called Dresden. Now, I am not saying we need to kill 100,000 Iraqis in one night, what I am saying is that we need to institute martial law and give up this liberation crap for now. That means no armed protests of any kind. If somebody in your protest throws a brick, you better get the hell out of there because you know that the Apaches are coming. They would learn soon enough. Then, once all protests are peaceful, we can get back to rebuilding Iraq. If we do not comprehensively defeat our enemies there first, as soon as we leave Iraq it will descend into a hellhole worse than before we started.
219 posted on 04/04/2004 10:21:25 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Well organized ambush?"
Yes

"Right in town?"
Yes

"In broad daylight?"
Yes

"If it was organized, why didn't any friendlys warn them before the arrived at the ambush point?"
Not too many friendlies in Fallujah. The men who were ambushed were civilians escorting a civilian truck convoy. This wasn't a military operation. That's not to say it wasn't professional. But many of the assets that support a military operation weren't supporting this one. The mob that burned the bodies of the Americans killed, was not a military target. Sorry, but that is a simple fact, and our military does not train its combatants to purposely violate the laws of armed conflict.

220 posted on 04/04/2004 10:22:53 PM PDT by Rokke
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