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10 U.S. Troops Killed in Iraqi Violence (4 April, 2004)
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Posted on 04/04/2004 4:22:35 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

By KHALID MOHAMMED

(AP) A demonstrator tries to contain the crowds during an anti-American protest in Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday...
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NAJAF, Iraq (AP) - Supporters of an anti-American cleric rioted in four Iraqi cities Sunday, killing eight U.S. troops and one Salvadoran soldier in the worst unrest since the spasm of looting and arson immediately after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

The U.S. military on Sunday reported two Marines were killed in a separate "enemy action" in Anbar province, raising the toll of American service members killed in Iraq to at least 610.

The rioters were supporters of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. They were angry over Saturday's arrest on murder charges of one of al-Sadr's aides, Mustafa al-Yacoubi, and the closure of a pro-al-Sadr newspaper.

Near the holy city of Najaf, a gunbattle at a Spanish garrison killed at least 22 people, including two coalition soldiers - an American and a Salvadoran.

(AP) Supporters of al-Sadr's self-styled militia, the al-Mahdi Army, walk towards Kufa, Iraq, Sunday...
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Fighting in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City killed seven U.S. soldiers and wounded at least 24, the U.S. military said in a written statement.

A resident said two Humvees were seen burning in the neighborhood, and that some American soldiers had taken refuge in a building. The report could not be independently confirmed, and it was unclear whether the soldiers involved were those who died.

A column of American tanks was seen moving through the center of Baghdad Sunday evening, possibly headed toward the fighting.

The military said the fighting erupted after members of a militia loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr took control of police stations and government buildings in the neighborhood.

Protesters clashed with Italian and British forces in other cities in a broad, violent challenge to the U.S.-led coalition, raising questions about its ability to stabilize Iraq ahead of a scheduled June 30 handover of power to Iraqis.

(AP) American special forces join coalition soldiers as the Spanish base comes under attack outside...
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With less than three months left before then, the U.S. occupation administrator appointed an Iraqi defense minister and chief of national intelligence.

"These organizations will give Iraqis the means to defend their country against terrorists and insurgents," L. Paul Bremer said at a press conference.

About three miles outside the holy city of Najaf, supporters of al-Sadr opened fire on the Spanish garrison during a street protest that drew about 5,000 people. The protesters were angry over the arrest of the cleric's aide, said the Spanish Defense Ministry in Madrid.

The attackers opened fire at about noon, said Cmdr. Carlos Herradon, a spokesman for the Spanish headquarters in nearby Diwaniyah.

The Spanish and Salvadoran soldiers inside the garrison fired back, and assailants later regrouped in three clusters outside the base as the shooting continued for several hours.

(AP) American soldiers take cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of...
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Two soldiers - a Salvadoran and an American - died and nine other soldiers were wounded, the Spanish defense ministry said. No other details were available.

More than 200 people were wounded, said Falah Mohammed, director of the Najaf health department. El Salvador's defense minister said several Salvadoran soldiers were wounded.

The death toll of at least 20 included two Iraqi soldiers who were inside the Spanish base, witnesses said.

Spain has 1,300 troops stationed in Iraq, and the Central American contingent is of a similar size. The Salvadorans are under Spanish command as part of an international brigade that includes troops from Central America.

Multiple train bombings in Madrid last month that killed 191 people have been blamed on al-Qaida-linked terrorists, who said they were punishing Spain for its alliance with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(AP) A Salvadorean soldier runs for cover as his base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of...
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Spain's new government, elected just days after the March 11 train bombings, has promised to make good on its pre-election promise to withdraw all Spanish troops from Iraq unless command for peacekeeping is turned over to the United Nations.

In El Salvador, the defense minister said the attack will not alter his country's role in reconstruction efforts.

"It reinforces even more our decision to continue helping a country that is suffering," Juan Antonio Martinez said Sunday.

The protesters were upset over the detention of al-Yacoubi, a senior aide to the 30-year-old al-Sadr, who opposes the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. Al-Sadr is at odds with most Shiites, who hope to gain substantial power in the new Iraqi government.

Shiites comprise about 60 percent of Iraq's 25 million people but were brutally repressed by the regime of Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Muslim.

(AP) An American soldier runs for cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms...
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At coalition headquarters in Baghdad, a senior official said on condition of anonymity that al-Yacoubi was detained Saturday on charges of murdering Abdel-Majid al-Khoei, a senior Shiite cleric who returned to Iraq after the U.S.-led invasion. A total of 25 arrest warrants were issued, and 13 suspects have been arrested, the official said.

Spanish-led forces said they did not participate in the arrest.

In central Baghdad's Firdaus Square, police fired warning shots during a protest by hundreds of al-Sadr supporters against al-Yacoubi's arrest. At least two protesters were injured, witnesses said.

In Kufa, near Najaf, al-Sadr supporters took over a police station and seized guns inside. No police were in sight.

In the southern city of Nasiriyah, Italian troops traded fire with militiamen demonstrating against al-Yacoubi's detention, said Lt. Col. Pierluigi Monteduro, chief of staff of Italian troops in the region. One Italian officer was wounded in the leg.

Also in the south, British troops clashed with protesters in Amarah, according to the Ministry of Defense in London. It was unclear whether there were casualties.

Al-Sadr's office in Baghdad issued a statement later Sunday calling off street protests and saying the cleric would stage a sit-in at a mosque in Kufa, where he has delivered fiery weekly sermons for months.

Al-Sadr supporters also were angered by the March 28 closure of his weekly newspaper by U.S. officials. The Americans alleged the newspaper was inciting violence against coalition troops.

The two U.S. Marines, both assigned to the 1st Marine Division, were killed by an "enemy action" in Anbar province Saturday, the military said. One died Saturday and the other Sunday, the statement said without providing details.

Anbar is an enormous stretch of land reaching to the Jordanian and Syrian borders west of Baghdad that includes Fallujah, a city where four American civilian contractors were slain Wednesday.

At a checkpoint in Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, that was manned by Iraqi Civil Defense personnel, a bomb killed three security officers and wounded another, workers at Samarra General Hospital said.

In Kirkuk, also in the north, a car bomb exploded, killing three civilians and wounding two others, police said.

Bremer on Sunday announced the appointments of Ali Allawi, the interim trade minister, as the new defense minister and Mohammed al-Shehwani, a former Iraqi air force officer who fled Iraq in 1990, as head of the Iraqi National Intelligence Service.

Late Sunday, U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi and a team that will assist Iraqis in the political transition to an interim Iraqi government arrived in Baghdad, the United Nations said.



TOPICS: Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; alyacoubi; casualties; fallen; iraq; najaf; religionofpieces; sadrcity
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To: Happy2BMe
Ahhh, so this is your source for your "Stand Down" comment. So you think Mattis is a wimp who's throwing daisy's to the goons in Fallujah. Here's an excerpt from his biography.

"As a Lieutenant, he served as a rifle and weapons platoon commander in the 3d Marine Division. As a Captain, he commanded a rifle company and a weapons company in the 1st Marine Brigade. As a Major, he commanded RS Portland. As a Lieutenant Colonel, he commanded 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, one of Task Force Ripper's assault battalions in Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. As a Colonel, he commanded 7th Marines (Reinforced). As a Brigadier General, he commanded 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade and then Task Force 58, during operations in southern Afghanistan."

Yeah, sounds like a real wimp. Call me crazy, but I think I trust his judgement more than the "experts" here on FreeRepublic.

181 posted on 04/04/2004 9:02:14 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Happy2BMe
Man...I wasn't debating with you...I merely pointed out that the thread was becoming rather heated and names where being tossed.

Sheesh, I didn't even comment on how I felt about the issue and I'm pulled in.

We should show the Iraqi's that this is indeed a war, will it happen? I hope so.
182 posted on 04/04/2004 9:03:06 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: Happy2BMe
We need to either crack down hard on these people or get the heck out. Anything in between = quagmire. I don't think Bush has the nerve to really get nasty. I feel so sorry for the guys that have been killed or wounded and their families. Bush is blowing it damnit. He's at the ranch or cracking wise at some black tie media love-in or proposing trips to Mars. Meanwhile, our guys are getting picked off every day by these savages. Wake up GW!
183 posted on 04/04/2004 9:03:28 PM PDT by Buck72
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To: Lion in Winter
>>Bush is President and I think he knows what he is doing and will do the best job he can to get us out of Iraq.<<

Are you trying to be funny?
184 posted on 04/04/2004 9:06:26 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: TomasUSMC
i agree.
185 posted on 04/04/2004 9:08:28 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Rokke
BTTT
186 posted on 04/04/2004 9:10:00 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
>>Would it not make sense to protect ourselves here at home? We are so concerned about terrorism, yet hundreds of thousands enter this country illegally at will. Do you not see a slight discrepancy here? Our doors and windows are wide open.<<

Thanks for the voice of reason. Can't protect our borders but we lose guys in Iraq. Thanks alot neo-CONS.
187 posted on 04/04/2004 9:10:16 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Happy2BMe; All
Prayers going up for the brave soldiers we've lost today. This war against terror has shown the true dark side of human kind. I do believe it is a war that, with God's help and guidance, we will win. Love and support for our troops and faith in their leaders is what we must give to help win this fight. United we stand folks.

We will win this fight
188 posted on 04/04/2004 9:10:42 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (I'll tell you what I like about Texas...everything between the Red River and the Rio Grande)
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To: samtheman
General mattis first standing order:
"FIRST DO NO HARM" and fallujah is his baby.
189 posted on 04/04/2004 9:11:03 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Buck72
"I don't think Bush has the nerve to really get nasty."


What gave you your first clue?


190 posted on 04/04/2004 9:12:53 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Rokke; Greg Weston; lawdog; TomasUSMC; ASOC; dila813; Blue Scourge; Joe Hadenuf; Salem; dennisw; ...
General Mattis is not the problem here, and I am by no means the only one who can see it.

Was the “Overwhelming and Decisive Response” just an April Fools Joke?

The economic news is great, and I see Bush gloating, as he should. In fact, it’s such good news, and especially good news for the Bush Administration with over 300,000 jobs added last month, well I guess what happened in Fallujah is already an “old news cycle”? It doesn’t seem to me that Bush is very upset about what happened in Fallujah. Yes, he called it brutal, and all. And there was a general who told us, on April 1 st, that the response is going to be overwhelming and decisive. But Bush doesn’t sound like he’s been overwhelmingly and decisively pissed off or nothing about it. Hmmm... Some reports are saying that US troops have sealed off Fallujah, and that US troops are cordoning off the city, and need about 48 hours.

And then ... the overwhelming and decisive response is going to happen.

Well, I hope so. I mean, I hope this “response” talk of April 1st doesn’t all turn out to be an April Fools Joke.

Because there is nothing funny about it.

Because, I agree with what a lot of conservative commentators are saying. What just happened in Fallujah, and what we do about it in the next 48 hours, was the line in the sand, the defining moment, and will BE the defining panorama of what the closing chapter of the entire Iraq war will be and the consequences it will have for the safety and future of our entire nation, and probably the Western world.

If we don’t do jack in the next 48 hours, then we may as well just leave Iraq right now, of which the left will have their glory day, their hopes of the eradication of what is good in America a very real prospect now more closer than ever in their wildest dreams.

I’m not the only one saying it. Turn on the radio and listen to some of our conservative talk hosts. Give it another couple days, either we do something, or we may as well just leave. Either way, staying around while doing nothing about it, or just leaving, either way, we have lost. The true impact of the loss to America will not be immediate. No. It may take a few years. But that will be the impact.

Do something. Or just leave.

They better do something.

And it better be overwhelming and decisive.

I know – we are told, there won’t be any T.V. crews allowed, if, when it happens.

But if, when it happens, we will know. And somehow, we will get to watch, and hear.

So, we are all waiting. To watch it. And hear it.

We are told, to be patient.

I am being patient.

No one, except maybe Michael Savage, is yelling. Yet.

Very patient.

And, it better be decisive. And overwhelming. And, it better not be food rationing. Or two hours a night of no electricity. The overwhelming and decisive response, well, it better not be that. Because, that isn’t overwhelming, and it sure isn’t decisive. It better be that those who did this are dead.

This is a war, and everyone is saying it’s a war - the Bush Administration is saying it’s a war, the conservatives are saying it’s a war, and more than a few are saying it’s really a world war, WWIII, against them, the Muslim fanatics et all whatever their flavor.

So we have to kill them. Because they started to kill us first.

This little backward, freakish, town of maybe 500,000, called Fallujah, they said they were the “Graveyard of America”. And, like so many backward, freakish, towns in history, a town which should have been just a footnote in history, they somehow become, in fact, the place, the decisive moment, the line in the sand, that freakish place of ghouls. The place, or even the turning point, of some great historical significance. Usually, the little town, or village, invite it upon themselves. Ghouls have a way of doing that.

This is very likely one of those places. This is very likely the defining moment. And place.

So it better be what they said it’s going to be.

We are all waiting.

191 posted on 04/04/2004 9:13:45 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: LonghornFreeper
"Really? Then where were the Apaches today? What about the AC-130's? The SuperCobras? The M1A1's? If we can't handle fighting off a lightly armed mob we are in big trouble."

They were all there. But have you ever tried targeting a sniper who is standing amongst several thousand protestors? One of the most challanging threats our guys face is a lightly armed mob. Do you suppose it would be a net gain for our troops in Iraq if we unleashed an AC-130 on a crowd of "civilians". Is an M1A1 a good weapon to respond with against a two man RPG team running around in alleys too narrow to ride a bike in? We train our military to target combatants. We don't train them to spray fire into lightly armed mobs.

192 posted on 04/04/2004 9:13:54 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Blue Scourge
as each non response to fallujah moment passes...
I increasingly find that to be...
a FALSE hope.

and I want to be wrong.
193 posted on 04/04/2004 9:14:16 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Liberty Valance
"United we stand folks".

"We will win this fight".

BTTT x 100

194 posted on 04/04/2004 9:15:08 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Happy2BMe
That hellhole over there is not worth 1 American life. Not a single one. It's just that simple.
195 posted on 04/04/2004 9:17:54 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Happy2BMe
The funny thing about that article you just posted, was that when it was posted on FR, the first several responses (including mine) were all something along the lines of "Didn't we hear similar whining in the months before we absolutely kicked the crap out of Afghanistan?"
196 posted on 04/04/2004 9:18:56 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Happy2BMe
check your freep mail
197 posted on 04/04/2004 9:19:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Most Of Us Are Wasting Rights Other Men Fought and Died For!)
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To: Rokke
Again... BTTT.

Excellent post and very well put.

198 posted on 04/04/2004 9:20:32 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (I ain't no pussy cat... don't mess with me... ya hear! GRRRRRRrrr)
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To: Rokke; LonghornFreeper; B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; F16Fighter; Marine Inspector; Salem; dennisw; ...
"We don't train them to spray fire into lightly armed mobs."

If my post #93 had not been pulled, you and everyone else would have seen what a LIGHTLY-ARMED MOB to five former U.S. Navy Seals.

Try again, Rokke.

199 posted on 04/04/2004 9:22:44 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: All
If my post #93 had not been pulled, you and everyone else would have seen what a LIGHTLY-ARMED MOB OF MUSLIM WORMS DID to five former U.S. Navy Seals.
200 posted on 04/04/2004 9:24:44 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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