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To: Elsie
When you say the Jews killed Jesus, do you mean "Jews killed Jesus" or "THE Jews killed Jesus"? whereas the latter implies the Jews as a group were responsible.
44 posted on 04/04/2004 6:43:54 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
It doesn't matter, "What I mean".


What does the BOOK say???
45 posted on 04/04/2004 6:49:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence.)
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To: yonif
Who are "they"?
 
Who are "those"?
 
Who is "our"?
 
 
 
Psalms 22:14-19
 14.  I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me.
 15.  My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me  in the dust of death.
 16.  Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced  my hands and my feet.
 17.  I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me.
 18.  They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
 19.  But you, O LORD, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me.
 
Isaiah 53
 1.  Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
 2.  He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 
 3.  He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
 4.  Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
 5.  But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
 6.  We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
 7.  He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
 8.  By oppression  and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
 9.  He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
 10.  Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes  his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
 11.  After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light [of life]  and be satisfied ; by his knowledge  my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
 12.  Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 
Zechariah 12:10
  "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit  of grace and supplication. They will look on  me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
 
John 19:33-34
 33.  But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
 34.  Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
 
John 19:33-37
 33.  But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
 34.  Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
 35.  The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
 36.  These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken,"
 37.  and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."
 
Revelation 1:7
  Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.  So shall it be! Amen.

49 posted on 04/04/2004 7:01:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Truth is violated by falsehood, but it is outraged by silence.)
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