Fallujah Delenda Est

Newsmax ^ | April 2, 2004 | Dr. Jack Wheeler

[TomGuy]

Fallujah Delenda Est


It is very easy and justifiable for every American to take the barbaric horror that occurred in Fallujah on March 30 personally. It is even easier for me in particular because the private contractor who provided the convoy guards murdered and butchered by the Fallujahites is a personal friend.

Yet this is a crime that requires far more punishment than simple revenge. Let me state it clearly: The people who committed this crime are subhuman. They have relinquished their claim to be considered members of the human race.

[TomGuy]

I guess I missed our elected officials coming together in outrage over this atrocity.

God help us, if we have another administration that cuts and runs like Bill Clinton did from Somalia. If that happens, we are no better than Spain for giving in to terrorist demands.

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[TomGuy]

Shia militia demolish 'debauched' Iraqi village

[glock rocks]

yes. Mogadishu was the first thing that came to mind.

[Who dat?]

God help us, if we have another administration that cuts and runs like Bill Clinton did from Somalia.

I don’t think they’ll cut and run… I do think the response will be less than satisfactory for my tastes. But then again, people have their butts hanging in the breeze there (I don’t) and I think they should be given some latitude as to how to respond… hopefully the administration (re)acts accordingly...

[tbpiper]

Not very likely. A somewhat overused but appropriate quote: 'Beware the wrath of the patient man".

After 9/11, there was a lot of yammering about nuking the middle east. It was a stupid but understandable reaction. if we have another administration that cuts and runs like Bill Clinton did from Somalia...

Destroying Fallujah falls in that same category. Just as with the Taliban, we will get justice not simply revenge.

Destroying Fallujah would only make 500,000 martyrs. Taking the patient, deliberate action of finding and eliminating the insurgents denies them a martyr's hope of glory and puts in them the sure knowledge that no matter what they do to us, that evil will be undeniably visted on them by our disciplined use of deadly force.

[Humidston]

>>Iraq is not a real country, only a collection of tribes that hate each other. <<

So true.

[Robert_Paulson2]

Given the choice, from a military and worldwar perspective, I would advise we select the 500,000 martyrs option... That's barely one half of one percent of the 110 million islamic radicals that David Pipes indicates are aching to kill us like dogs, for allah.

That many each year, would of course, put our surrender to their wmd demographic bomb, sometime in the next 8-10 years. Since they are doubling in numbers by birth every decade or decade an a half..

however having read the entire article, (as I am sure you did or will) the author actually only calls for erasing the city after letting the people exit first.

[Cicero]

This policy has sometimes been carried out--by the Nazis, by the ancient Romans, and others. But it's fundamentally immoral to kill one person for the misdeeds of another. It might even be effective, but it's not the kind of thing we should hurry to do.

We have plenty of clear pictures of the perpetrators. We can lean on the Fallujah authorities and others in the area to identify them for us, and then we can punish them.

We should probably put a cordon around the area before the guilty parties start filtering out of it.

[tbpiper]

however having read the entire article, (as I am sure you did or will)

I did and it's still a stupid idea. Displacing a half million people from their homes out into the desert is a logisitcal nightmare on it's simplest level. Many will die there, many will stay in Fallujah and be killed. We will not do what this author proposes nor will we nuke Fallujah as some other nitwits have suggested. We are not that kind of people. we will, however, responded with the appropriate, disciplined force. And no matter how much the hajis beat their chests and chant, they'll find that allah is out to lunch and of no help.

[McGruff]

A resident in the flashtown of Fallujah, 60 km norht of Baghdad displays a leaflet distributed by US troops. The leaflet reading 'Escaping to any place, hiding anywhere, will not prevent the coalition forces from finding you and bringing you to justice', was distributed in this restive town a day after a US Marine and five Iraqis, including a cameraman working for ABC News were killed during clashes with insurgents after Friday prayer.(AFP/Karim Sahib)

[daybreakcoming]

We need to hand Saddam over to the Iraqi people - let them do their quickie trial and then execute him. As long as he is alive - these misfit creatures will not stop. He was their "daddy warbucks".

[Robert_Paulson2]

We are not that kind of people.

---

yes.
we are.
my parents did it.
to save american lives.

given the right motivation.
we will too.

[Robert_Paulson2]

Don't know about the Romans.
Don't know about the Germans.
I DO know about us Americans.
we did it, and it worked.
at dresden.
at hiroshima.
at nagasaki.

it saved japanese and german lives in the long run.
by shortening the war.
and it saved american lives too.
given a slight turn of events.
president bush being a christian or not....
we would again.

your feel morally good approach speaks good of you.
but in war it's wrong to be pc.
war by definition is NOT moral, though it can be just.

Ultimately if allah's followers continue to follow in the glory of the mogadishu and yassin methodology...

we WILL do what it takes.
THEY will pay the price.
And so, sadly will the innocents they hide behind.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Amazingly true stuff.

And yet, so hard to fathom, that Jesus died for even those barbarians in Fallujah, too, and He looked down, seeing their every horrible act this week. I can never fully fathom the depth of that love of the Creator's Son, for even those who do such satanic deeds. It certainly transcends what I would be able to do.

[MadeInOhio]

Bob,

Your logic can't be faulted. Yet the resolve and moral certitude that prevailed in 1945 no longer exists in this nation. Americans then saw Hiroshima as just harvest for the seeds Japan planted at Pearl Harbor.

Vast segments of this nation are no longer convinced of the righteousness of our cause in the Middle East. Indeed, influential factions within the United States even debate America's moral legitimacy. (How else can one characterize much of the political dialogue within the Democratic Party?).

The same megamedia organs that transformed the reality of Tet in 1968 -- a Viet Cong debacle -- into an American military disaster would redefine just retribution as an exercise in Nazi butchery.

Notwithstanding alternative news sources that traffic in truth, the alphabet networks, AP, NYTimes and WashPost still whistle the tune to which Washington and much of the nation dances. The champions of national self-loathing still frame the debates and affirm "realities."

Bush could exercise an option far short of a Carthaginan solution to bring justice to the killers of Americans; he would still elicit the moral indignation of powerful partisan appeasers. Such ninnies would have been ignored or stamped with disgrace in 1945. That from an American populace proud of its heritage, and aware its existence had been imperiled.

In 2004, millions of Americans are ignorant or embarrassed about their heritage, and barely aware that our existence is imperiled. Such are the cliente of Kerry, the "independents" who rally 'round the Perots, McCains and Naders. Collectively, these sheep threaten the survival of an administration that presents a reflection (pale though it may be at times) of a more glorious era in American leadership, when fear of American wrath was often a guarantor of peace.

[dimk]

Whatever response is made is should be as a part of the overall program to make Iraq into whatever is it that we want it to become.

Wiping the whole city might be a bit too dramatic. I think every person seen on the tape needs to be found, if not found their closest relative needs to be found. Then each needs to be publicly executed. Hanged, disembowed the whole 9 yards then left to hang on the site were Americans were killed. Anyone atempting to remove the corpses should be hanged immediately. Any public protest crushed by using live amunition. Hire Iraq people themselves to be executioners. IMO public execution of insurgents should become a regular practice.

[Redbob]

"Destroying Fallujah would only make 500,000 martyrs."

Oh, horseshit!

That's the same silly tripe given as a reason for not removing Yassir Arabfat and other terrorist leaders - "It would only make him/her/it a martyr..."

Who's to tell we wouldn't be making an example?
Did we make "martyrs" in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Of course not! What we made was an enemy desperate for us not to do it again, desperate enough to lay down arms immediately.

"Martyrs..." sheesh!

[CyberAnt]

I cannot believe you are even doubting our response ..?? But .. like we said, "it will be a time and place of our choosing". Let them sit and wonder when and where we will hit them. Let them cower in their hideouts. When we move, just like in Iraq - it will be overwhelming.

[TomGuy]

I cannot believe you are even doubting our response ..??

A decade of LBJ using Viet Nam for his political purposes, GHWB stopping just short of Bagdad and assuring the popular uprising that we would help them--ooopps, sorry about that because we didn't, and 8 years of Clintonitis, waiting for him to respond to Somalia, WTC1, etc., paint me skeptical.