Posted on 04/02/2004 5:34:30 AM PST by TaxRelief
Gatto helped me figure it out. I'm still very angry. But at least now I understand why.
The problem is being coerced/forced through taxation to send children to school with other children who are unsafe. This boy fought back but was stomped unconscious. One solution is to only send children to school with other children who are taught (and accept) a duty to defend them as brethren.
As for this case, hang a jacket on the perp for a very long time because the odds are he is a sociopath.
Believe me, I have no interest in fixing schools. They should be blown up. Or sold off and converted to residential housing, or something.
If you want to know why I think schooling is satanic, read this book, by the 1991 NY State Teacher-of-the-year. (Yes, I said satanic).
Mmmm. I call it the Schoolag Archipelago.
"School is the cheapest police."The lessons of schooling aren't what's learned on the blackboard. The curriculum is in the context.
-Horace Mann
The seven lessons of schooling are:
1) Confusion
2) Class position
3) Indifference
4) Emotional dependency
5) Intellectual dependency
6) Provisional self-esteem
7) No privacy
This is the result of American having adopted the Prussian schooling system of the mid-nineteenth century, under the urging of Horace Mann. The goals of Prussian schooling were the following:
The Prussian mind, which carried the day, held a clear idea of what centralized schooling should deliver:The current situation is actually worse than this. But basically, that's what school's all about, Charlie Brown.1) Obedient soldiers to the army;
2) Obedient workers for mines, factories, and farms;
3) Well-subordinated civil servants, trained in their function;
4) Well-subordinated clerks for industry;
5) Citizens who thought alike on most issues;
6) National uniformity in thought, word, and deed.
Oh, that's too good. I started reading Solzhenitsyn in 7th grade. Can't beleive I didn't think of that! LOL!
The influence of the Ford, Carnegie, and Rockefeller foundations was an eye-opener for me, especially the origins of "School-to-Work" at the turn of the 20th century.
Sure. And you can write it on my headstone.
Although I'm not dead yet ;-)
I agree that the current situation is actually worse but when I was in grade school, junior high, and high school, you can bet I was there to LEARN. My mother made sure of that.
The teachers back then didn't have to worry about whether corporal punishment was allowed or not. If you misbehaved and made the environment one unconducive to learning you got smacked with a paddle in grade school, sent to the principle's office and smacked with a paddle there in junior high, or if in high school, depending on the teacher, got sent to the principle's office and had your parents called to come to the school IMMEDIATELY (and the parents were NOT happy about leaving work to deal with this type of thing), or got smacked (period) by the teacher.
Not all the kids were there to learn but it was made clear that they weren't to interfere with the kids that WERE there to learn.
Man, don't I sound like an old fogey? ;^)
Anything. The status quo ante. The situation before the advent of compulsory schooling in the mid-nineteenth century.
Education is different from schooling, and can happen anywhere. Home. Work. Church. Play. The worst aspect of schooling is compulsory attendance. If you separate that aspect out, I would drop the "satanic" modifier. But if the compulsory aspect of schooling is dropped, the schools will effectively cease to exist.
I don't even like Catholic schools, and I'm a Catholic. I look at them as necessary evils, which were made necessary by the compulsory attendance laws of the mid-nineteenth century.
I understand the point you're making, and it's a valid one. But my point is that no one emerges from schooling unscathed, even the "good" students.
I was a "good" student. I did everything "right." And I left school utterly confused and depressed, alienated from myself, and ignorant of the things that matter most in life.
In some ways, the "bad" students are better off. They're more conscious of the fact that they're being abused.
I could probably agree with your take on "compulsory," but dropping it would not cause schools to disappear -- that's just silly. People want their kids to learn, and schools are a good way to ensure it. We even know that public schools can work, because they used to be good, and in many places they still are good.
You're basically saying that the problem with schools is an agenda. That's not correct, either. The problem is that good people have done nothing, and let that agenda be instituted. You'll notice that this is not isolated to schools, but is instead everywhere -- churches, Congress, and even city parks.
You're tilting at the wrong windmill, A-man -- the existence of school buildings and tax-paid teachers is not the problem. Once you identify the real problems -- and you know as well as I do that they're moral and religious problems -- and the solutions begin to suggest themselves.
Me, too. I figured it out (with some help from my prayer group) when I started having nightmares and throwing up as my daughter approached "junior high school" age. I try not to be angry ... there's no one to be productively angry AT, since my parents didn't know any better ... but you'd have to kill me before I'd send my kids to a school.
After 150 years of schooling, we seem to have lost this notion, or at least suppressed it to a significant level.
The (il)logical result of the adoption of this satanic system has been its explicit rejection of God, and an increase in the positive teaching of immorality.
I think part of it is the upbringing, the environment you put yourself in, and support from various sources.
I was none of the things you attribute to yourself when I graduated from high school.
My family was one where you could bring any problems to the table, any at all, and the family would help you. They wouldn't SOLVE them for you but they would help you to solve them.
The Boy Scouts were another facet. I was an Eagle scout before I turned 16 and Scouting helped you to learn how to approach life, and solve problems also.
Last, but not least, I had teachers that actually gave a damn and cared. It might have been, and probably was, an anomaly but in my school district the teachers, at least a large majority, were there to teach. They weren't there to babysit you, they weren't there to entertain you, they were there to impart knowledge, and in some cases the wisdom of years of experience.
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