Fighting back on outsourcing

TownHall.com ^ | Friday, March 2, 2004 | by Bruce Bartlett

[JohnHuang2]

Friday, March 2, 2004

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[The Duke]

Of course outsourcing could be made to "go away" - they do a great job at making US competition "go away" in the very countries who are engaged in outsourcing, in fact. It's called "making and enforcing laws".

And anyone who would virtually celebrate the severe erosion of the "tech sector" after this country has for decades hitched its wagon to technology is absolutely insane.

And the jobs mentioned here - the ones that "require physical contact with the customer"...well, I'll just leave it to your imagination exactly what those jobs entail. (Hmmmm..."high class male prostitute"...now that's the ticket!)

[XBob]

3 - "The most important finding of the Global Insight study is that the cost savings from outsourcing don't just flow into higher corporate profits. They contribute significantly to higher output in the U.S., which leads to job increases elsewhere in the economy. The study estimates that the gross domestic product was $34 billion higher last year because of outsourcing and that this created over 90,000 net new jobs. "

Now, let me get this straight. If I hire 10 people outside the US to do some work, and I need 2 US people to support the work, I have created 2 new US jobs. Great. However, if I hired 8 US people to do the same work, I would have created 8 new US jobs. So, somehow, creating 2 new US jobs and 10 overseas jobs is better than creating 8 new US jobs.

Yes - that's it - the 'new' math.

[XBob]

And don't forget, that overseas output is credited as US output, even though it is not produced here.

Ah, isn't this 'new' math marvelous?

Ah, just like that #1 crockpot I bought just tonight, after searching 3 stores, for a US made crockpot, I finally settled for #1 Original American Crock pot, Rival, made in China, as there are apparently no crock pots made in the US anymore, or anywhere except China.

[nika]

Another take on outsourcing white collar jobs to India and manufacturing jobs going to China

[harpu]

You might also check out... "Threat to Jobs Is Politicians, Not “Outsourcing” and www.ofii.org

[The Raven]

The Dems aren't looking at IT jobs...they're looking at low end wages & manufacturing....eg China.

[Sam the Sham]

Those of us old enough to remember the destruction of the blue collar middle class by "free traders" 25 years ago are unlikely to buy the same kool aid when it is peddled to white collar workers.

[XBob]

What a piece of crap article, your first reference :

"Michigan has keenly felt the loss of 300,000 jobs during the past three years.
[snip]
The United States and Michigan are "insourcing" far more jobs than they’re outsourcing.

[XBob]

And the second article on 'incsourcing' - another pile of crap.

If foreign manufacturers are creating jobs here to make stuff to sell to Americans, what that means is that our corporations are being out manuvered and out managed.

Insourcing should mean, foreign corps invest in jobs here to build stuff to sell in their countries, not in this country.

All BS - all it means is that 'insourcing' as it is used and defined is a fancy way to take the extra money the foreign corps have accumulated at our expense (our $500b trade deficit) to buy up our US corps.

[XBob]

9 - "Those of us old enough to remember the destruction of the blue collar middle class by "free traders" 25 years ago are unlikely to buy the same kool aid when it is peddled to white collar workers."

Well, the free-traitors are sure trying to BS us once again, as I noted in my last several posts.

[dennisw]

Of course, it is absurd that almost half of Americans should fear outsourcing. The vast majority of jobs can never be outsourced, because they require physical contact, close proximity to markets, and other factors.

This guy is a serious moron or a deceiver. Outsourcing places great wage pressure on American jobs. Except for that of effin' gubbermint bureaucrats (our emerging nomenclatura) and lawyers. The jobs don't have to actually be moved out of America. Just the hanging threat (sword of Damocles) will do nicely in many instances

[XBob]

Sam - nika posted a much more pertinent article. Harpu, read nika's article - instead of the BS you linked.

Good to know what BS they are spreading though, Harpu.

[Sam the Sham]

Yes, its' a great article.

But you left out innovation. You see, jobs don't matter because we Americans are magically better at INNOVATION. So we can ship our jobs offshore and just focus on INNOVATION. Of course, how we are going to INNOVATE when all our R&D is being done by Chinese and Indian engineers they never quite say. But hell, we sure can INNOVATE.

[1rudeboy]

And don't forget, that overseas output is credited as US output, even though it is not produced here.

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[ninenot]

X, could you clarify that? Do you mean that products of H-P manufactured in China are somehow called US 'production?'

[XBob]

1- "The most important finding of the Global Insight study is that the cost savings from outsourcing don't just flow into higher corporate profits. They contribute significantly to higher output in the U.S., "

[Protagoras]

Maybe they should address the problem itself if they want to stop losing jobs to people in other countries.

The cost of heathcare, regulation and high taxes are the causes. Government is the culprit. We elected 'em, we are the problem.

But many here want to fix too much government with a fresh dose of government. It's past goofy.

[Protagoras]

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