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1 posted on
04/01/2004 10:31:59 AM PST by
hocndoc
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Please forgive if unwanted, please pass on if interested.
2 posted on
04/01/2004 10:35:16 AM PST by
hocndoc
(Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
To: hocndoc
Yeah, cloning should be banned...except for Ann Coulter (heh-heh)
3 posted on
04/01/2004 10:50:45 AM PST by
VRW Conspirator
(Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)
To: hocndoc
I have no doubt that the socialists will create a department sanctioned by liberal, "activist" judges, that will produce babies.
They will do it because they can.
The evil of fascist socialism --- unlimited government --- has returned because people are being made to fear for their lives in the absence of absolute government control over the thing that they are led to believe by the liberal media, is both scary and "something must be done about it."
Boo.
I'm scared, but more of unlimited government, than ever of the odds that I will not be happy by my daring choose self-determination.
Because I know that the spirit in man yearns to be free.
That will always conflict with the spirit-impaired who yearn to be secure at any price.
Nothing more ironic than mothers killing their babies in the name of having the right to choose, while disclaiming all other rights to choose by daring to live free from the tyranny of the socialist directorate to which they sold their souls in order to feel good about killing their babies.
I have a hunch that we have only a few more decades to correct, in our society, the holocaust of American women killing their babies, before the Almighty "lowers the boom."
I have a very strong hunch.
In fact, I am given to understand that my informed sources have that information correct.
Then again, we have only to ask forgiveness; incredible, isn't it?
Yet there again, who among the many who wish to not face the ricicule of their friends and "peers," will dare to defy their mob and be labled a lunatic because they sought God's love?
. . .
Put me down as opposed to any government or its parts, generating human tissue in any form.
I'm for medical research that finds the answers we want, though it may take longer, by not harvesting human beings.
I am opposed to harvesting human beings.
I am opposed to lawyers who will take any way of wording the law(s) to mean other than my opposition to our harvesting human beings.
The lawyers will bend the words to mean what the socialists want: harvesting and absolute control of human life under their uber-government protectorate/directorate.
No matter what words you lay down in the path of the socialist blitzkrieg that is laying waste to our American Heritage and culture, they will twist their way around the law, because we have become a lawless society by order of the courts.
We live in an anarchist nation, where the laws are only the law of the day, about which you read in the next morning's newspapers.
We are living under the threats and impositions from a government by judiciary.
Words used by the government and the government class, have no meaning, in terms of the usefulness of words in the rule of law, that they are fixed.
A law is not supposed to change by changing its meaning and/or by changing the meaning of the wording of the law.
Law is legally and lawfully to be changed by the agreed upon due process of governance that is democratic-republican.
So, again, put me down as opposed to government harvesting, though however you may word the law, it will not hold up in a court of law where the judges are picked by world socialism.
The definition of insanity is, killing your own baby because you reinterpret the meaning of life to be that your baby is not, life ... rather, that it is a nuisance to be extinguished.
Put down the cell phone, lady. You're drinking, driving, smoking, and having an abortion while trying to negotiate that turn!
4 posted on
04/01/2004 11:06:37 AM PST by
First_Salute
(May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
To: cpforlife.org
Ping for life.
To: hocndoc
SPOTREP - ETHICS - BIOETHICS
To: neverdem; cpforlife.org; MHGinTN; Mr. Silverback; Coleus; Alamo-Girl; Cathryn Crawford; Bob J; ...
Please forgive me if I'm bumping anyone who's not interested.
For those of you who are, consider passing this on to any pro-life doctor or scientist that you know, as well as anyone else. Here's the latest, with changes to allow for gene therapy, such as treatment for sickle cell disease, etc., and an explicit recommendation concerning terminology.
Alternate Recommendation on Cloning, Embryonic Stem Cell Research, and Human Genome Manipulation.
We affirm that all human beings have the right to life and that no discrimination can be made between which human lives in regard to the right to receive legal protection from being killed by others, since all human beings should have equal protection of their human rights under the law. The only justification for the ending of a human life is to defend the life of a human being that is endangered by another, a condition that cannot be applied to cases of cloning or embryonic stem cells.
It is a matter of scientific fact that all embryos of human origin are members of the species Homo sapiens, since the embryo is a stage in the development of a member of the species rather than something that is pre-human, (Opitz, testimony to the Presidents Bioethics Council). This fact does not depend upon whether the human embryo began life by the intentions and actions of other humans or not, in the laboratory, in the fallopian tube, or in the uterus.
We firmly support the traditional medical charge, First, do no harm, and do not support the belief that scientists should engage in research that is designed to destroy humans at any stage of life or which may manipulate the human genome in such a way as to cause unknown genetic changes in the offspring of human beings. This is not a legacy we want to leave those who come after us.
A standard, proper vocabulary consistent with the standard for human embryology (based on the internationally recognized Carnegie Staging nomenclature) for all natural, assisted and artificial reproduction - including in vivo and in vitro fertilization, asexual reproduction methods such as Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer (SCNT or cloning), embryo splitting, parthenogenesis, the production of human-non-human chimeras, and all future variations - should be used by all researchers, policy making bodies, and medical professionals, in order to encourage open discussion and debate and ethical conclusions. Physicians have a particular duty to educate the public and our patients regarding scientific research that may affect human lives and health, and a standard nomenclature and protocols will assist us in that duty.
The terminology outlined in Chapter 3 of the United States Presidents Bioethics Council Report on Human Cloning and Human Dignity: An Ethical Inquiry is consistent with international standards for human embryological terminology. This terminology has already been adopted by the American Medical Association Council on Scientific Affairs, AMA Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs and the National Institute of Health. The Report has affirmed that the cloned or parthenogenic human embryo is the genetic equivalent of the fertilized human embryo and that whether the human life began by design of other humans or by sexual or asexual means does not change the fact that they are, indeed, human embryos.
The research on umbilical cord stem cells and adult stem cells has been fruitful and the results are already being used to treat diseases, without cost of human life. All embryonic and cloned embryo stem cell use is purely theoretical at this point in time, and will require the harvesting of an immense quantity of human oocytes and the deliberate killing of an unknown number of nascent human lives before the utility of embryonic stem cells, if any, is known.
The Texas Medical Association recommends:
1. That the standardized terminology such as that in use by the National Institutes of Health (which is based on internationally recognized human embryology, the Carnegie Staging nomenclature, and the Presidents Council on Bioethcs) be used whenever possible in discussing human embryology, stem cells, and cloning.
2. All research on cloning and cloned human beings, parthenotes, embryonic stem cells or the manipulation of the human genome and all other methods of obtaining or artificially constructing human embryos, stem cells, and research material that requires or depends on the destruction of human life be stopped immediately and banned by our laws, professional organizations and associations, institutes of higher learning, and private businesses.
3. All previous conflicting policies of professional organizations, institutes of higher learning and private businesses, as well as the laws of the United States be rescinded to reflect the views outlined above.
4. Research should focus on methods which do not require the killing of or genomic changes to members of the human species. Research on umbilical cord and adult stem cells and treatment of disease that does not risk changes to the human gene pool should be encouraged, instead.
For more information on stem cells, cloning, and human research:
The Presidents Bioethics Council
http://www.bioethics.gov/ Information on current human embryology, Early Embryonic Development: An Up-to-Date Account (Opitz)
http://www.bioethics.gov/transcripts/jan03/session1.html The information on stem cells can be found at
http://www.bioethics.gov/topics/stemcells_index.html National Institute of Health on Stem Cells and cloning
http://stemcells.nih.gov/infoCenter/stemCellBasics.asp Current AMA policy on stem cell research
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/2036-7819.html Stem cell FAQs
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/5245-7264.html
26 posted on
04/11/2004 10:01:46 PM PDT by
hocndoc
(Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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34 posted on
04/25/2004 8:48:35 AM PDT by
Mr. Silverback
(Dwight Eisenhower: "I will go to Korea." John F. Kerry: "I will go to Paris.")
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