Eerie calms grips Fallujah after gruesome killings, Bremer vows revenge (Fed the dead to the dogs)

AFP ^ | Thu, Apr 01, 2004 | AFP

[ladyinred]

If you listen to the news reports, the American people want us to pack up and leave Iraq now. I hope instead we let them have it in that area with all stops pulled out. I won't hold my breath considering the political climate out there. But I still can hope and pray that we do.

Along those lines, a retired General Munger (sp?) from Fresno called into our local talk show today. He just returned from the area after going over taking donated supplies to our troops. He said he was sitting with one of the newly elected governors of Iraq watching CNN news showing the protests here. The governor was disturbed and turned to him and asked, "Can we rely on you? We have risked our lives to bring democracy here, and now I wonder, are you American's going to stay and finish this, or run out on us?" Shameful, shameful, shameful that they have to wonder this.

[Robert_Paulson2]

post it.
some computers don't have bible dan software packets....

I would be interested to see it.

[alexandria]

"The death of each one of these people is worth 10 Iraqi lives."

I always used to believe in killing 10 of them for any one innocent that they killed in a terrorist act but hey, if they're willing to LOSE 10 of their guys for one of ours?
I think we'd have to change that to 100 of them for every one of ours, just so they'd NOTICE.

[Robert_Paulson2]

there will be no storm.
we got our asses kicked.
and our bush team ain't sure how to play it.

yet.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Maybe you can run in there in the middle of a mob to get the bodies? Easy to sit on your ass and order that, isn't it?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Another are chair commando are you?

[Lijahsbubbe]

Don't get your hopes up. The next time you see the head of that teenager will be from the back -- he's going to be driving a cab in New York City in a few years.

And sitting in a US college at the age of thirty, using our money and plotting his next terrorist move.

[Duchess47]

I would like to see a world where every thug knew without a doubt that harming an American meant he would die, his family would die, his town would die and unless they talked real fast, his country would die. If the world wants to hate us, they should learn to fear us as well.

Probably too much to hope for, but I can wish.

[AFPhys]

It sure would be interesting to see what the administration was saying after Somalia. I don't recall if it was like this, but I don't think so.

Don't have time to do the research now to see if I can bring up anything about it.

[Judith Anne]

I too find this unbelievable. I never would have thought we leave our fallen countrymen to such vicious, mutilating mobs. As in Somalia I wondered where the "Lil birds" were with their gun runs and in this case where were the Apaches, A-10s and Spectre gunships. Totally unacceptable, especially for Marines who claim never leave their fallen behind. How sad,

Anyone who went in to rescue the bodies would have been walking into an ambush, the bodies were bait, the atrocities were bait. You would have sacrificed many for nothing.

The strategy I've seen posted elsewhere here is much more effective, and has already begun.

[AFPhys]

You're right ... our response will be measured, in OUR time table, and effective.

Rummy is not Les Aspin; Powell is not Madeleine Halfbright; Bush is not the 'Toon.

It is no wonder, though, that the world is wondering what we will do now. Seventeen days after Somalia, here is what was being reported: http://members.aol.com/vetcenter1/rangers.htm

Any body here believe that will be the response in Iraq during the next seventeen days?

[BibChr]

Thanks for your interest, Robert! They're such long texts, though, that I'm reluctant to take up the bandwidth by posting the passages in full.

How's this for a compromise? Here's a link to the Holman Christian Standard Bible online, a very readable translation I'm enjoying. To read the texts I reference, you'd only have to enter narratives of Judges 20 in the search field for the first, and 2Sa 20 for the second.

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

[Robert_Paulson2]

just the pertinent part:

The men in ambush had rushed quickly against Gibeah; they advanced and put the whole city to the sword.
38 The men of Israel had a prearranged signal with the men in ambush: when they sent up a great cloud of smoke from the city,
39 the men of Israel would return to the battle. When Benjamin had begun to strike them down, killing about 30 men of Israel, they said, “They’re defeated before us, just as they were in the first battle.”
40 But when the column of smoke began to go up from the city, Benjamin looked behind them, and the whole city was going up in smoke.[2] Lit up to the sky
41 Then the men of Israel returned, and the men of Benjamin were terrified when they realized that disaster had struck them.
42 They retreated before the men of Israel toward the wilderness, but the battle overtook them, and those who came out of the cities[3] LXX, Vg read city slaughtered those between them.
43 They surrounded the Benjaminites, pursued them, and easily overtook them near Gibeah toward the east.
44 There were 18,000 men who died from Benjamin; all were warriors.
45 Then Benjamin turned and fled toward the wilderness to the rock of Rimmon, and Israel killed 5,000 men on the highways. They overtook them at Gidom and struck 2,000 more dead.
46 All the Benjaminites who died that day were 25,000 armed men; all were warriors

and of course the entire city of gibeah THE WHOLE DANG LOT... had their throats slit. men, women and children... according to the historical account.

I would call 25-35 thousand a day of these barbarians... a good start. The war would be over this year. International freedoms would be enhanced, and the planet would be much better off.

... I can dream can't I?

[BibChr]

The part I was actually leaning on, in BOTH stories, was that in both cases the cities were given choices: hand over the bad guys, or share their fate

In the first story, they chose B, and were made to regret it. In the second, A, and not.

See?

Dan
(c8

[sphinx]

Time to start sewing their dead into pig carcasses.

[Robert_Paulson2]

fallugjah was given that choice a few months back.
they have chosen poorly.

raze the city, put the perpetrators and city fathers to the sword, or the fire.

day of decision is long past.
I therfore would select that FIRST option... root and branch. Kill the islamic horror factories worldwide. Time is wasting.

[Hollywoodghost]

The man is a wonk--Bremer is a PC public relations guy--We need a general in charge--someone who looks and sounds like he eats nails for breakfast. Someone who will inspire respect and maybe a little fear. Where is our modern Patton's and McArthurs now that we need them? Imagin how things would be if Patton were in charge of Iraq. Happy thoughts indeed.