Posted on 03/31/2004 6:32:20 PM PST by mhking
Dontcha just get tired of the clueless liberal f*ckwits who keep ranting about Bush being Hitler? Not only does it not make any sense, but it trivializes what a monster Hitler was. I have a new troll who pulled that Bush is Hitler crap. I enforce Godwin's Law on this site and told him that. Here is part of his response. Evidently this little twit cannot read. Godwin's Law in part "once this occurs, (comparison to Hitler or Nazi's) that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. " My site. My rules. But let's just look at it as if Bush were Hitler. Since the booger eatin' moh-ron challenged me to pick up a newspaper and read it let's just think about that. If Bush were Hitler, we would not be able to read or hear any dissent since Bush would have shut down all opposition media. Yep! If Bush were Hitler there would be no ABCCBSNBCCNNNPRPBS, the new liberal radio network (Good luck Al! You're gonna need it. You ceased being funny a long time ago.) , Washington Post, New York Times, LA Times, San Francisco Chronicle, Atlanta Urinal and Constipation, et. al. All the liberal sites on the internet would be shut down. So tell me again how reading a free and open opposition press proves Bush is Hitler? This is gonna be the problem with liberal radio. Liberals do not do very well with facts. I read that the dude bankrolling it is willing to endure three years of red ink. Good for him! That's money that won't be given to Dimocrats. If Bush were Hitler he would use the Secret Police (The FBI) to accumulate information on his enemies and have over 1000 of those files at the White House. If Bush were Hitler he would have his Attorney General incinerate a bunch of religious wacko's in Texas killing many women and children. If Bush were Hitler he would send his storm troopers to scare the living sh*t out of a little boy in Miami and send him back to the hell hole that is Cuba. If Bush were Hitler, he would fire long time White House employees and then sic the Secret Police on them to besmirch their reputations. If Bush were Hitler he would sic the IRS on any organization that supported the other political party. If Bush were Hitler, he would break campaign finance laws and then obstruct the investigation. Let us not forget that Nazi stands for National Socialist. The Nazi's were not a right wing party they were a left wing party that supported gummint control of industry. If Bush were Hitler, he would be in favor of having the gummint take over the health care industry in this country. If Bush were Hitler he would be in favor of stringent gun registration. This is what the Nazi's did in the 30's. Then they confiscated the guns. If Bush were Hitler and the Iraqi war was all about oil he wouldn't be very smart. All he would have to do was conquer Canada or Mexico and take their oil. Wouldn't be too hard to do. If Bush were Hitler, those retards demonstrating at Karl Rove's house would have been rounded up and shot. If Bush were Hitler, 95% of the people in Hollywood would be rounded up and shot. And this would be bad because ... ? If Bush were Hitler, Dimocrats would be put into reeducation camps. And this would be bad because ... ? If Bush were Hitler Condi Rice and Colin Powell would not be in his administration. If Bush were Hitler, Congress and the Supreme Court would have been abolished by now. If Bush were Hitler, we would have bombed France by now. And this would be bad because ... ? If Bush were Hitler, we would not have to put up with Cynthia McKinney's big mouth. And this would be bad because ... ? But Bush is not Hitler. If he loses the next election, he will step down. Unlike what the moonbats over at Democratic Underground think, our republic will endure. Someday, this country will become a socialist dictatorship but hopefully I will be gone by then. I suggest all you idiots who think Bush is Hitler go read some history. I realize that they don't do a very good job of teaching history in the gummint schools anymore, so you will have to do it on your own. As I said at the start of this post, Hitler was a real monster. Comparing Bush to Hitler, not only shows your ignorance and stupidity, but also trivializes the crimes committed by Hitler.Godwin's law says nothing about the validity of making a comparison to the subject [GW Bush in this case] and Hitler. I recommend picking up a newspaper and READING IT!, or can't you think for yourself?
I know this is a very popular view on FR, and certainly Nazism bears no resemblance to American style conservatism springing as it does from the American founding documents, written by profoundly liberty-loving men who would have abhored the statist solutions proposed by the Nazis.
Nevertheless it is not correct to assert that the Nazis were a party of the left, and indeed no leftwing party either in Europe or America supported them at any time. The Soviet Pact was a cynical political calculation by both Stalin and Hitler and doesn't count. But many European conservatives and quite a few American conservatives (Father Coughlin, Charles Lindberg) did support them. The Nazis were the sworn enemies of the communists, fought them in the streets of Munich and executed them promiscuously when they came to power.
Nazi economic policies echoed those of Musslini's Fascists (an appellation many don't realize Hitler disdained and never adopted) in that they practiced "capitalism with an iron fist." Economic hierarchies and accomodation for the wealthy were Nazi policies that would certainly not have been a part of a leftwing government had the communists come to power in Germany.
The Nazis were totalitarian statists, and, again, resembled not at all true American conservatives in most respects, but just because they promoted state authority far above anything a true American conservative would countenance does not mean that they were leftists. Dictatorships of the right are also a historical possibility, and Hitler made just such a dictatorship a reality in Germany in 1933.
Great post!
They just don't call it that.
They call it progressive government.
I tend to disagree and let me say why.
The statement of the fringe extremes of both ends of the spectrum do seem to avoid the outright support of government takeovers of industry and production, but their tinkering around the edges of these ideas makes me think the idea is only repressed for appearances.
Look at the lefts demonetization of corporations and tell me that they do not hate these enterprises and would be quite content to have them totally controlled by government, lock stock and barrel. Minimum wages are also a nationalistic ideal.
Look at statements from the likes of Pat Buchanan and others that want to control the activities of businesses through regulation of their ability to trade without regard to the company's survival. The outsourcing issue is bringing desires of goverment control of business.
The New York Stock Exchange debacle drew many to proclaim that a person made too much money! Now they have regulated compensation.
I don't know, but it seems to me that many would be quite happy to have the nations corporations under the control of government where they think they would have some say in the day to day activities of same.
While they collectively never use the word National in their diatribes, the general gist of what they want to do is the same.
George W. Bush (and former President Bush) are alive.
Ergo, Bush is NOT Hitler.
It's irrelevant how many liberals supported Hitler when we look at how many liberals supported Stalin after WWII. The man killed more people then Hitler ever did (by at least 2x, 20 million minimum) and yet all we hear about is how Joseph McCarthy demonized Stalin's Useful Idiots (a Soviet phrase).
I don't work for the enemy (I don't propagate the hate) but I do get to see the inner workings of devious minds.
The liberal ESTABLISHMENT try to soft sell Communism. Children should learn about how many MILLIONS of people (hundreds of millions) have died and been tortured under Communist regimes.
There is a tv show from the 1960s called I Led 3 Lives about a US agent who worked as a KGB undercover agent.
The handful of episodes I've seen look like a send up of the modern PC left (and this was during Kennedy's day). They show how the FAR left seeks to tear down the institutions in America and hold back progress for the sake of THE PARTY. America's founding fathers' reputations are impuned so as to cast doubt on the entire concept of the American Constitution and "Declaration of Independence".
Teach your children not to question "authority". Teach your children to question everything; INCLUDING those who tell them to question "authority" (what are THEIR goals?).
Wrong. Have you read Mein Kampf? Have you actually studied Nazi ideology? Or are you just making yourself happy by pretending you know what you're talking about?
Nazi policy was to promote "capitalism with an iron fist" as I said earlier. The Nazis supported private property rights, market competition, the creation of wealth, and the German system of social hierarchy. They were socialist only in the sense that they reserved to themselves the right to interfere in the economy with an "iron fist" if they concluded such an action would further a nationalist goal.
The proper way to understand the term National Socialist is to always emphasize the first word -- NATIONALIST. The Nazis were extreme German chauvinists of the first rank, an aspect of their ideology that was not only directly contrary to the internationalist leftwing ideology of the period, but also had it roots in right of center ideology going directly back to the Estates General in 1789 in France, where the terms "right" and "left" were born as political designators.
It does American conservatives no good whatsoever to try and distort history to serve present day political fashion. The Nazis were not a leftwing party. Period.
The Nazis nationalised the rail lines in the late 30s for military transport purposes, and they set up Volkswagen to provide cheap transport for the Wehrmacht and for the public as well, but other than that they did not "run many businesses." Once they got into power industries and trusts were not nationalised, indeed, military production and even film production remained in the hands of private industries. Many private companies flourished during the Nazi period while independent trade unions -- and strikes -- were outlawed. One could easly show that Roosevelt had a higher percentage of Americans on his payroll than Hitler had Germans on his.
The Nazis operated by imposing drastic fines and penalties on business owners who displeased them, usually Jews. They then invariably assigned that property to someone else who was in favor with the Reich. But the point is the property remained in private hands.
The reich was authoritarian and iron-fisted, and I've deliberately avoided using the phrase "free markets" in this discourse, instead substituting "market competition," because I accept that statist Nazi policy heavily interfered in the economy, but the type of wealth distribution policies typical of leftwing governments were never implemented by the Nazis. They wanted to put German industry onto a war footing and they needed capital to do it. That was the number one goal. Everything else took second place, including the pesky little word "socialist" in the party name.
When one considers the heavily conservative element in German politics that helped Hitler consolidate his power in 1933-34, when one understands the political calculations behind his decision to eliminate Gregor Strasser and Ernst Rohm, and when one looks at the policies the Nazis actually implemented in wielding power, it is simply not possible to call them leftwing. They were "national racialists" far more than they were "national socialists."
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