[William Martel]

Let me put this into different terms. All I ask is that you hear me out to the end, as I am saying more here than "we ought to be tolerant for the sake of being tolerant". The KKK, for all intents and purposes, is a cult based on notions of racial superiority. It is already rightfully villianized and disliked throughout this country. Islam is a major worldwide religion with a little over a billion people in it. In the average American mind, that somehow translates into a level of credibility (yes, I agree, it's a leap of logic).

I understand Islam. I studied it. When I was younger and ignorant I considered converting to it. Islam is based upon the subjugation of the world and human activity to "Allah's will". While it claims some tolerance for Jews and Christians, we know full well that tolerance is absolutely minimal. It must be, by Islam's nature. The Islamic state is the true order of things in Islam. All Muslims, whether they acknowledge it or not, aim for the Islamic state, because Islam demands it. Islam views non-Muslims as abberations. We are, more or less, blemishes on God's creation.

I understand all this.

However, this being true, we cannot base all of our interactions with Muslims on these grounds. While the doctrine may be demonic, the believers are human beings. As I said before, the beliefs of Muslims are not nearly as villianized as the beliefs of the KKK. The average American is more likely to see Muslims as people "just like us, with a different ancient religion" than as the followers of a religion that seeks to subvert the entire world. One could say it is too big of a truth to have dumped on oneself all at one time! Even with 9-11 many Americans are too tolerant to jump to these conclusions.

We are in a cultural war. The left in this country is working feverishly to overthrow the instutitions that have formed the foundation of our great nation. For better or for worse, the majority of people in this country have been conditioned to the point where they will tolerate just about anything. Furthermore, the left has been masterful in painting us as fanatics who push for conformity and the elimination of anything diverse. Believe it or not, that actually pushes people away from us, even people who would be otherwise conservative! As I said in an earlier post, we are in a battle to win hearts and minds. You cannot win a battle for hearts and minds if you are busy acting in a manner that alienates the people we are trying to attract. This isn't a matter of being overly tolerant - it's a matter of using proper warfare. The time will come when national mood will be such that we can do as you suggest. Until then, it serves only to weaken us and make our enemies stronger.

Like I said before, let's also try not to forget that we are the good guys here and that, as the good guys, we must hold ourselves to higher standards.

[Mamzelle]

re: Like I said before, let's also try not to forget that we are the good guys here)))

The good guys have already created, though blood and treasure, a free nation for this little girl to live in and worship as she pleases. The good guys pay the school taxes and protect the streets on which the buses travel. She may go to a US school if her parents choose, or choose another alternative, such as an Islamic school. In her native land, my Bible would be seized and burnt. If I dared to worship with my family, I'd risk assault and death. I know who the good guys are.

But the good guys do not provide, with their blood and treasure, for a display of her political/cultish/gangster garment on school property among other American children. It does not make one into a "bad guy" to want to see order maintained and a American values protected and promoted against this politcal movement. The public school is not a medium of communication like a newspaper or billboard.

I confess that several years ago I was woefully ignorant of Islam. I thought it an ascetic offshoot of Judaism, due to the similarity of dietary laws. I found some of the tradtions even rather charming--and, of course, I was impressed with the outward signs of religious devotion.

But I have read much recently-- what has been recorded of Mohammed and his sayings, and hear what the moderns imans have to say. The more I learned, the worse it got. The more I keep learning, the worse it gets.

This is a cult of hate and death and bizarre and repulsive sexual obsessions. I would say, even, that the features of this sexual obsession is probably the most important of the features of Islam and speaks to the dangerous pathology of the Muslim, particularly the Muslim male. Fear the man who has religion justifying what Islam justifies.

The veil emerged when Mohammed was having trouble with his restive harem and how they interacted with the larger community of Mohammed-followers. He decreed that his wives, and only his wives, "cover their bosoms"--now all Muslim women are urged to smother under hot blankets, lest they arouse the raging Muslim man's libido with some glimpse of elbow or ear. The assumption that an unveiled woman is fair game to molestation is part of the mystique of the veil.

American schools are better off without this mystique. Let them walk the malls, if they must, in their hot , black dust-ruffles like Death Comes Walking. It is not proper for the schools.

re: As I said before, the beliefs of Muslims are not nearly as villianized as the beliefs of the KKK. )))

I don't know about that. 3000 murdered in 2001 and a war might make the Knights of the White Camellia just a fruitcake full of nuts--compared to the threat of the veil.

re: The average American is more likely to see Muslims as people "just like us, with a different ancient religion" than as the followers of a religion that seeks to subvert the entire world.)))

Then they ought to pick up a Koran and start reading--as tedious and ill-written as it is. Let them understand how they are deceived by the Muslim apologists who love to quote the early verses of the "peaceful" Mecca Mohammed who had no army, and not dwell on the butchery of the Medina Mohammed who *did* have an army. Let those students also know that it is Islamic doctrine that it is the LATTER verses that will hold sway in an argument.

re: You cannot win a battle for hearts and minds if you are busy acting in a manner that alienates the people we are trying to attract. )))

Gee, sounds like a wise generality. Care to tell me specifically what you're talking about?