[Mamzelle]

re: Like I said before, let's also try not to forget that we are the good guys here)))

The good guys have already created, though blood and treasure, a free nation for this little girl to live in and worship as she pleases. The good guys pay the school taxes and protect the streets on which the buses travel. She may go to a US school if her parents choose, or choose another alternative, such as an Islamic school. In her native land, my Bible would be seized and burnt. If I dared to worship with my family, I'd risk assault and death. I know who the good guys are.

But the good guys do not provide, with their blood and treasure, for a display of her political/cultish/gangster garment on school property among other American children. It does not make one into a "bad guy" to want to see order maintained and a American values protected and promoted against this politcal movement. The public school is not a medium of communication like a newspaper or billboard.

I confess that several years ago I was woefully ignorant of Islam. I thought it an ascetic offshoot of Judaism, due to the similarity of dietary laws. I found some of the tradtions even rather charming--and, of course, I was impressed with the outward signs of religious devotion.

But I have read much recently-- what has been recorded of Mohammed and his sayings, and hear what the moderns imans have to say. The more I learned, the worse it got. The more I keep learning, the worse it gets.

This is a cult of hate and death and bizarre and repulsive sexual obsessions. I would say, even, that the features of this sexual obsession is probably the most important of the features of Islam and speaks to the dangerous pathology of the Muslim, particularly the Muslim male. Fear the man who has religion justifying what Islam justifies.

The veil emerged when Mohammed was having trouble with his restive harem and how they interacted with the larger community of Mohammed-followers. He decreed that his wives, and only his wives, "cover their bosoms"--now all Muslim women are urged to smother under hot blankets, lest they arouse the raging Muslim man's libido with some glimpse of elbow or ear. The assumption that an unveiled woman is fair game to molestation is part of the mystique of the veil.

American schools are better off without this mystique. Let them walk the malls, if they must, in their hot , black dust-ruffles like Death Comes Walking. It is not proper for the schools.

re: As I said before, the beliefs of Muslims are not nearly as villianized as the beliefs of the KKK. )))

I don't know about that. 3000 murdered in 2001 and a war might make the Knights of the White Camellia just a fruitcake full of nuts--compared to the threat of the veil.

re: The average American is more likely to see Muslims as people "just like us, with a different ancient religion" than as the followers of a religion that seeks to subvert the entire world.)))

Then they ought to pick up a Koran and start reading--as tedious and ill-written as it is. Let them understand how they are deceived by the Muslim apologists who love to quote the early verses of the "peaceful" Mecca Mohammed who had no army, and not dwell on the butchery of the Medina Mohammed who *did* have an army. Let those students also know that it is Islamic doctrine that it is the LATTER verses that will hold sway in an argument.

re: You cannot win a battle for hearts and minds if you are busy acting in a manner that alienates the people we are trying to attract. )))

Gee, sounds like a wise generality. Care to tell me specifically what you're talking about?

[William Martel]

Read my post again - I wasn't arguing arguing against you. Islam DOES need to be stopped. It is dangerous particularly BECAUSE it believes the world must be subverted to Islamic law. What I believe is that we must pick our battles. The war of hearts and minds I was referring to was in regards to the culture war that exists in our country today between socialist liberals and those of us who would have America as it was meant to be. Telling little girls that they can't wear head scarves isn't going to win the war on terror, it isn't going to win the culture war, and, on the contrary, advocating such measures isn't going to draw people to our side. When you fight a war, you don't spread your forces out and attack everything all at one time - you mass your forces and attack something here, something there, hitting the important spots, like island hopping. I think that this is a silly target to go after at the moment when we have bigger concerns out there.

I don't know about that. 3000 murdered in 2001 and a war might make the Knights of the White Camellia just a fruitcake full of nuts--compared to the threat of the veil.

Yes. You see that, I see that, and I think most people on FR see that too. But, somehow, for some reason, there is a good portion of our population in this country that doesn't see it. We need numbers. I'm not advocating being moderate or tolerant here, I'm talking about picking our battles carefully so we can actually win both wars. KKK is nothing compared to the Islamists, but the KKK is somehow worse in the *psyche* of many.

re: The average American is more likely to see Muslims as people "just like us, with a different ancient religion" than as the followers of a religion that seeks to subvert the entire world.)))

Then they ought to pick up a Koran and start reading--as tedious and ill-written as it is. Let them understand how they are deceived by the Muslim apologists who love to quote the early verses of the "peaceful" Mecca Mohammed who had no army, and not dwell on the butchery of the Medina Mohammed who *did* have an army. Let those students also know that it is Islamic doctrine that it is the LATTER verses that will hold sway in an argument.

I absolutely agree. That is what I am talking about in regards to winning hearts and minds. When we can actually get people to understand that Islam really is every bit as bad as the KKK, it is then that you can speak out against its practices in our society.