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To: William Martel
Islam does not distinguish between church and state. What is religious is political, the political religious to a Muslim. He likes the freedoms of the West, of course. We do not understand our enemies properly, and, like the Europeans, desire to see good in them...not because we are gentle optimists, but because we fear to take the measures we need to take.

The Amish have their own schools.

If the KKK wanted to send an 11-yr-old to school in a hood and robe, you'd hear from the Constitutionalists in a hurry. This wouldn't be allowed, and should NOT be allowed. But a Klansman will also tell you of his "faith." Would you fear to mock the Klansman? Why do we fear Muslims?

There's little hope in my mind that we'll recognize the danger and take proper action--which is "This is secular America, not Dar al Islam. You may come to school, but you can't wear the robe of our oppression. You can always establish your own school to teach the tenets of your cruel cult--."

248 posted on 04/01/2004 5:45:33 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Let me put this into different terms. All I ask is that you hear me out to the end, as I am saying more here than "we ought to be tolerant for the sake of being tolerant". The KKK, for all intents and purposes, is a cult based on notions of racial superiority. It is already rightfully villianized and disliked throughout this country. Islam is a major worldwide religion with a little over a billion people in it. In the average American mind, that somehow translates into a level of credibility (yes, I agree, it's a leap of logic).

I understand Islam. I studied it. When I was younger and ignorant I considered converting to it. Islam is based upon the subjugation of the world and human activity to "Allah's will". While it claims some tolerance for Jews and Christians, we know full well that tolerance is absolutely minimal. It must be, by Islam's nature. The Islamic state is the true order of things in Islam. All Muslims, whether they acknowledge it or not, aim for the Islamic state, because Islam demands it. Islam views non-Muslims as abberations. We are, more or less, blemishes on God's creation.

I understand all this.

However, this being true, we cannot base all of our interactions with Muslims on these grounds. While the doctrine may be demonic, the believers are human beings. As I said before, the beliefs of Muslims are not nearly as villianized as the beliefs of the KKK. The average American is more likely to see Muslims as people "just like us, with a different ancient religion" than as the followers of a religion that seeks to subvert the entire world. One could say it is too big of a truth to have dumped on oneself all at one time! Even with 9-11 many Americans are too tolerant to jump to these conclusions.

We are in a cultural war. The left in this country is working feverishly to overthrow the instutitions that have formed the foundation of our great nation. For better or for worse, the majority of people in this country have been conditioned to the point where they will tolerate just about anything. Furthermore, the left has been masterful in painting us as fanatics who push for conformity and the elimination of anything diverse. Believe it or not, that actually pushes people away from us, even people who would be otherwise conservative! As I said in an earlier post, we are in a battle to win hearts and minds. You cannot win a battle for hearts and minds if you are busy acting in a manner that alienates the people we are trying to attract. This isn't a matter of being overly tolerant - it's a matter of using proper warfare. The time will come when national mood will be such that we can do as you suggest. Until then, it serves only to weaken us and make our enemies stronger.

Like I said before, let's also try not to forget that we are the good guys here and that, as the good guys, we must hold ourselves to higher standards.
254 posted on 04/01/2004 8:39:31 AM PST by William Martel
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