[Pharmboy]

These guys are sick. I am ashamed they are docs (I am one too).

[AppyPappy]

Jiminy, what a mess. Women want to hold the baby they just had killed.

[MHGinTN]

"Grunebaum, a specialist in maternal fetal medicine at New York Hospital, said he fears that after 30 years of practicing medicine and after performing 1,000 abortions ..." He's a serial killer, not a physician, though he's a highly educated serial killer.

[muawiyah]

These people really are into it for just the killing aren't they?

Watch out for that Carhart creep though. He carries a pistol all the time looking for a full grown adult to murder. Wonder if they took it away from at the federal courthouse.

[WOSG]

Proof that he is lying: Grunebaum, a specialist in maternal fetal medicine at New York Hospital, said he fears that after 30 years of practicing medicine and after performing 1,000 abortions, "I would go to prison for doing a procedure I consider safer." He said the law was so vague that it could outlaw virtually any type of abortion performed during the second trimester because the fetus is sometimes still alive as it is brought outside the body. ...

He said the process of pulling the fetus partially out of the woman's body and then puncturing the skull to collapse the soft tissue and squeeze the head out is often the safest method available. ....Grunebaum said more than 95 percent of the women he has treated who must give up their pregnancies in the second trimester "really, really, really wanted to have a baby."

If they wanted to have the baby WHY WOULD IT STILL BE ALIVE and require an abortion?

[Doctor Phil]

MURDERERS!!! Doctors take what is called the "Hippocratic Oath". Thus, how can these murderers claim to be doctors?
Check out www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34911. You may find this to be of great interest.

[exDemMom]

Besides, he said, many women request that the fetus be preserved as intact as possible for a proper burial or so full testing can be done to learn why the pregnancy failed.

One guess as to why these pregnancies fail: the babies are MURDERED!

I wonder if that sick creep who mentioned that the babies are often still alive when he pulls them out bothers to inform the mothers of that fact... or does he tell them it's a bloodclot or something?

[Indie]

In New York, Dr. Amos Grunebaum said he had "fears of being prosecuted and having to face imprisonment" for a law so poorly written that even some miscarriages might violate it.

Ahh, so the reason you are against this ban is due to your altruistic preference for perfectly written legislation. If it's not well-written, you will disobey it. Yeah right.
Or, perhaps 'doctor Greenbaum' it's because you are a liberal Jew that hates Jewishness so badly, that you have tripped yourself running away from anything resembling morality, which of course includes the Torah or the Bible. Hitler's leftist fascism [the Holocaust] was an elementary school prank compared to your leftist fascism 'doctor grunebaum.' When they come for you good 'doctor,' we won't be there to hear your screams, because we will have been picked up for having guns, long before they went after you for having "priveledge and money" that those outside of the new socialist government do not deserve. And your Jewishness I'm sure will earn you a slower penalty than they gave to us.

In short, some people never learn from history.

[cpforlife.org]

Doctors Testify in Three Partial Birth Abortion-MURDER Trials

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[LadyDoc]

What they are not saying in this article is why this procedure is dangerous to mom...

The baby's head is punctured thru the neck... the neck of the baby is in the mom's uterine cervix (like the lips of a bottle). The cervix is very very soft and easily torn. So the scissors can more easily go thru the soft cervix than thru the baby's bony neck and skull.

A torn cervix can lead to hemorrhage and if sewn up and fixed properly, mom will miscarry every pregnancy she later tries to have. This is called "incompetent cervix".

And, of course, if the scissors don't slip sideways but accidentally slip parallel to the baby's head, you will end up with perforating the peritoneal cavity, causing hemorrhage, and death.

This procedure dates back to days when women with rickets would die in childbirth, so they would do this to save her life, since the kids' head would not fit thru her bony pelvis, (the hole in her pelvis would be deformed and small from ricketts)...but it became obsolete by the time that anesthesia and asepsis made Caesarian sections safer, about the turn of the century.

If you remember the movie "the Cardinal", they were given the choice between the mom and the baby. If a woman had been in prolonged labor, there was danger of infection and death of the mother from infection/dehydration in a Caesarian section, so they still did this to "save the mother"...and of course, Catholic doctors were not allowed into many OB/Gyn training programs because they would refuse to do it.

But even this reason became obsolete after WWI, when IV fluids became recognized and "extra peritoneal caesarian section" technique was devised. And once Penicillin was available, it became unknown to do such a dangerous procedure.

BTW: When we worked in Africa, where a lady might be divorced if she had a caesarian section, we didn't do this procedure, we did a symphysiotomy to open the pelvic bones for delivery.

[Mr. Silverback]

ProLife Ping!

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[Mr. Silverback]

These guys are sick. I am ashamed they are docs (I am one too).

Don't be. That's like being ashamed to be a soldier because of the Waffen SS. These people are doctors like Colonel Sanders is a PETA activist.

[Coleus]

Partial-birth abortion: dispelling the myths

[NYer]

Besides, he said, many women request that the fetus be preserved as intact as possible for a proper burial or so full testing can be done to learn why the pregnancy failed.

This is the second time I have seen that comment made. A 'failed' pregnancy would result in a miscarriage. How does an abortion constitute a failed pregnancy?

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[Siobhan]

We wouldn't do this to our pets.

[shempy]

Wow.

You know, I used to be in favor of "abortion rights". Then I had kids of my own. And I started to question it for a while. Then I pretty much slid into ambivalence and avoided the subject.

But I could just puke reading this.

[livius]

Besides, he said, many women request that the fetus be preserved as intact as possible for a proper burial...

For a long time, people in the pro-life movement thought that convincing mothers that the "blob of tissue" or "fetus" was actually a child would end abortion immediately. What they didn't realize is that most women, encouraged by society and the abortion lobby, know this and don't care.

They can now go down the block to the local feminist "healing service," where they are told that they really NEEDED to kill this child and that they should be just fine with the whole thing and that Goddette will understand and it will all be groovy.

You don't request a "proper burial" for something that was never alive or never a person in the first place. They know what they're doing.

[T'wit]

>> then puncturing the skull to collapse the soft tissue and squeeze the head out is often the safest method available.

It's none too safe for the baby.