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Removal of Ten Commandments ordered (IN)
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Posted on 03/30/2004 3:14:46 PM PST by Stew Padasso
Edited on 05/07/2004 6:27:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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To: orionblamblam
ERRR. Wrong, but thanks for playing. These ideas were espoused by the Greek long before they had any dealigns with the Hebrews, as well as by other peoples untouched by Judeo-Christians. That just isn't the case. The history recounted in the Book of Genesis predates all history, and that is where the idea of human beings as created in the image of God is first discussed. It is codified in the book of Exodus, with accompanying laws on human life. Human beings as made in the image of God is what gives us our dignity.
... the federal government took no interest in religion.
That is incorrect as well. One of the first things the Congress did was pay to print Bibles. Not suggesting that they do that today, but our government was deeply concerned with religion. Thomas Jefferson attended Chrsitianservices in various government buildings. Across the country, the swearing-in of public officials was accompanied by long sermons from ministers.
Says you.
No, it is a continual theme in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelations, written over a 1500 year period.
Define all you want, but you spoke of "homicide" in the pejorative sense. If you are gong to try to claim that you were entirely neutral in your use of the word, your statements loses meaning completely.
My point is that it is not evil to kill for self defense. It is not evil for the state to kill. Murder is evil. For God to kill is not evil. It is justifiable.
To: orionblamblam
In accordance with your definition, I suppose we could say that God engages in "justifiable homicide." How does that sound?
To: Zack Nguyen
I'm sure you believe the killing of those who do not believe in your God is justified, but foprtunately... the Founders of this country disagreed.
Thank Odin for Jefferson and the Constitution!
To: Zack Nguyen
> history recounted in the Book of Genesis predates all history
BZZZZT. Wrong, but thanks for playing. Those parts of the OT that aren'y obviously straight mythology or allegory are well within the era of recorded history.
> Human beings as made in the image of God is what gives us our dignity.
As I said... dangerous. And sad. Not to mention plain wrong.
> One of the first things the Congress did was pay to print Bibles.
No... one of the first things Congress did after the final codifying of our modern Constitution was sign the First Amendment into being. And write treaties that explicitly pointed out that the US is not a "Christian" nation: "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen..."
> For God to kill is not evil. It is justifiable.
And that's why you scare me. Who's to say you won;t have a "vision" where god orders you to kill? So long as you believe it's really your god... you won't have any compunction against carrying out the most heinous acts.
To: orionblamblam
BZZZZT. Wrong, but thanks for playing. Those parts of the OT that aren'y obviously straight mythology or allegory are well within the era of recorded history. That just isn't the case. "Made in the image of God" is something that came about at the dawn of time. The Book of Genesis has been proven correct, where it has been studied archaeologically.
As I said... dangerous. And sad. Not to mention plain wrong.
Sorry you think that. I think it's wonderful that you are made in the image of God, and therefore due life and dignity simply by being born.
Actually, Congress did print Bibles in the colonial era. It is an historical fact. The vast majority of our elected officials believed that Christianity was essential. They were right. Our Constitution allows Christianity to flourish, and this was done on purpose. I personally hope that it returns (or remains, depending on your point of view) the dominant religion and ethic in America.
And that's why you scare me. Who's to say you won;t have a "vision" where god orders you to kill?
That would be impossible. The Bible is very clear - specific revelation from God is ended. It ended with the Apostle John and the Book of Revelations. God isn't giving anyone His word as he did Moses and Joshua. Government can take a life or incarcerate according to laws that are consistent with the spirit of God's law. That isn't an individual's perogative.
I confess I find your question a bit patronizing, as if I am some kind of zombie or mystic.
To: All
Judge Roy Moore belongs on the United States Supreme Court.
To: orionblamblam
I recommend hanging some Maplethorpe lithos where the 10 commandments were displayed. /sarcasm
To: Stew Padasso
So the land of Goshen has become anti God has it?
That is ironic.
We must get this stuff stopped folks.
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posted on
04/02/2004 4:50:26 PM PST
by
ladyinred
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I recommend hanging some Maplethorpe lithos where the 10 commandments were displayed. I agree. It would reflect our diverse heritage. Anything else is racist.
/sacrcasm.
To: Stew Padasso
[ Ken Falk, legal director of the Indiana Civil Liberties Union, said the judge's ruling makes clear that the Ten Commandments display does not serve the county's stated purpose of contributing to moral character and historical knowledge. ]
The Constitution says the Bill of Rights are granted by God.. not by government. An attack on the 10 Commandments is an attack not on God but an indirect attack on the authority of the Constitution..
The ACLU KNOWS THAT.. and that is their constitution. don't go after your rights directly just remove the authority of those rights.. therefore makeing them worthless.. Funny no lawyer has ever noticed that or brought suit against them for this obvious sedition..
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posted on
04/02/2004 7:40:47 PM PST
by
hosepipe
To: Zack Nguyen
> The Book of Genesis has been proven correct,
Sigh. No, it has been proven to be no more correct in it's magical speculations than the Koranic tale of Mohammad splitting the moon in two. See any of the crevo threads for enlightenment.
> you are made in the image of God, and therefore due life and dignity simply by being born.
BZZZZT. I am due life and dignity because I'm a *human*. Not because of some god or other.
> The vast majority of our elected officials believed that Christianity was essential.
They also believed that women shouldn't vote and that the Earth was created in six days jsut a few thousand years ago. They were wrong there, too. And since Christianity clearly isn't essential...
> That would be impossible.
Tell that to everyone who has God speaking to 'em. these peopel can be found in your neighborhood insanitorium.
> I confess I find your question a bit patronizing, as if I am some kind of zombie or mystic
Well, that's a shame.
To: Fitzcarraldo
> Maplethorpe lithos where the 10 commandments were
displayed.
How about displaying the actual *laws* *of* *the* *land*?
To: hosepipe
> The Constitution says the Bill of Rights are granted by God
Citation, please?
> An attack on the 10 Commandments is an attack not on God but an indirect attack on the authority of the Constitution..
So, a capitalist (which is forbidden by the 10C... can't covet better stuff, y'know) is distinctly anti-American?
To: Stew Padasso
Democrats-are-athiests BUMP
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posted on
04/02/2004 11:59:50 PM PST
by
Lancey Howard
(Un-friggin-believable.)
To: orionblamblam
They all agree with you over at DU?
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posted on
04/03/2004 12:09:42 AM PST
by
philetus
(Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
To: orionblamblam
BZZZZT. I am due life and dignity because I'm a *human*. Not because of some god or other. No, that is certainly not the case. Given the evolutionary construct I assume you ascribe to (though of course you've never stated), human beings are due no more respect than rats. It is the divine that gives us our dignity. You are going to claim, however, that simply "being human" gives you dignity, with no other evidence. This is no more true than claiming "being rich" should get you special treatment in court.
They also believed that women shouldn't vote and that the Earth was created in six days jsut a few thousand years ago. They were wrong there, too. And since Christianity clearly isn't essential...
The idea that women shouldn't vote has no Biblical basis at all. Indeed, a case could be made for being just the opposite. BTW, I also believe that the world was created in six days. I have no idea when.
Tell that to everyone who has God speaking to 'em. these peopel can be found in your neighborhood insanitorium.
That is not much of a rebuttal. I gave you very sound reasons as to why no one "hears" the word of God anymore. I can go into more Biblical detail if you like. Trying to paint me as a psychotic killer doesn't do much good, as all I've done is defend Christianity and Judaism from the charge of genocide during this entire conversation.
To: orionblamblam
[ So, a capitalist (which is forbidden by the 10C... can't covet better stuff, y'know) is distinctly anti-American? ]
Are you Al Gump or Al Francken ?..
TROLLS..(Eddie Murphy laugh)
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posted on
04/03/2004 5:55:58 AM PST
by
hosepipe
To: orionblamblam
It's a common enough line when used by fundamentalists... Now you're the one doing the ad hominemn / non sequiturs. Keep it up, son, and you'll be deemed a newby troll.
You say you're a Christian. Your doctrine is quite uninformed, for a Christian, as expressed in your beliefs about the sinfulness of humanity, your disrespect for Scripture, and your antagonistic attitude. Perhaps you should practice humility and consider what Zack's been writing. Try to act gracious, especially in a forum like this that's essentially anonymous.
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posted on
04/03/2004 6:47:26 AM PST
by
Theo
To: Theo
> Now you're the one doing the ad hominemn / non sequiturs.
Pointing out that "read the Bible" is a common end-of-debate point for Fundamentalists is neither an ad hominem nor a non sequitur, given the debate at hand.
> You say you're a Christian.
No, I haven't.
To: Zack Nguyen
Zack -- you've done well trying to address this guy's ridiculous posts. I appreciate that you've done this so I don't have to. :-)
Scripture does talk about "casting pearls before swine," which tells me that sometimes it's fine to disengage from a discussion if that person is "not listening," or is listening but is so bound up in pride that they're not willing to consider that they're wrong.
I guess what I'm saying is that you are probably free to turn off Free Republic and go shop for some paint or walk in the park or visit a friend....
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posted on
04/03/2004 6:52:15 AM PST
by
Theo
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