Concealed-weapons law increases dangers in life

Coulmbia, Missouri Daily Trib. ^ | March 27, 2004 | B. Gray

[rface]

Editor, the Tribune: Now that conceal and carry has been established, I would like to make the public aware of the possible "side effects" of this new bully law. First off, don’t be surprised that if and when you get pulled over by a police officer, he or she comes in full assault fashion with gun drawn and ready to defend his or her life. You’ll have a gun pointed right at you, cocked and ready to fire. Don’t panic and do something stupid, because you might get shot. Obey the officer, keep your hands in sight and move slowly when he asks for your license. After all, he must assume you’re armed.

I’m sure many officers have pondered this situation in their daily duties. I am only assuming this might be the scenario, and I could be wrong, but better safe than sorry.

I will always be against putting more potentially dangerous weapons in the hands of our general public. Less lethal avenues should be sought if you feel you need to defend your life 24 hours a day. There’s something wrong with the inadequate mind that needs to use a gun to feel protected. Seeking help to bolster one’s insecurities would be a good place to start. I know, because for 22 years, I was held hostage in my own home as my ex-husband practiced killing me day in and day out with his beloved guns. It’s a disease of dependence with fear and control its drug.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Seem like reasonable enough rules..........for sheep. Sheople?

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Interesting view.

I live in the anti gun state of Illinois. Yesterday I passed thru the metal detector at the county court building of course unarmed. However, when my wallet went thru the xray the cop asked what my badge was. I told both of them it was my conceal carry. A long pregent pause and one of the cops said we will never see that in IL. I said 46 states have it and what was he going to do about it. He said as long as the democrats are in power in Chicago we will never see it.

Told him it was time we unite.

We chatted for a couple of minutes methoded the quarters with holes in them on my key chain was 200 yards with a AR 15. five dog trips and 14000 rounds laters one burnt out barrel.

One $hot one kill

[Teacher317]

Odd how all of the states that have had CCW (or even less stringent laws... Bless ya Vermont and Alaska!) don't seem to have trouble with it.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I was in court last week. The prosecutor said he had a "good one for ya.'' Apparently one of our rookies cited a woman for leaving the scene of an accident after she hit a dog that ran out in the road.

Bad thing was, she came back twice trying to find the owner.

I had to laugh to keep from cryin.

[Squantos]

LMAO........heres a oldie but goodie !

Stay safe !

[Djarum]

How could they print such an embarrassment? It could only have been worse if she'd called for the killing of CCW holders.

[Atlas Sneezed]

the officer who pulls you over will know they're safer because the license plate # tells them the car belongs to someone with a CHL...

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Not for those who borrowe cars, drive company cars, or (wisely) hold their vehicles in an out-of-state LLC.

[Freedom2specul8]

I know it was a joke, and I should have emphasized that I knew it. What I was trying to point out that there are people who can't take jokes...IE: the gun grabbers. Granted we all have different thresholds for jokes..and that is one I wouldn't say. In my opinion, and only my opinion..I don't think jokes like that should be shared in public (especially FR) cuz it actually reinforces the gun grabbers stereotype of gunowners. No offense meant against you.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

You won't be arrested down here if you are not a felon. You will, however, have a very embarrassing confrontation with the police (the severity of which will depend on when and where you are), and you will be asked to leave the premises.
It is not a crime to carry a weapon in the open down here although it is unusual to see one.
I have gone to a restaurant with my family. Forgotten that I was carrying on my belt (it is warm down here most of the year so I usually carry in an ankle holster unless I have a suit on), removed my coat when we sat down to eat. I only realized that I had done this when I went to the restroom and while washing my hands I saw it in the mirror. No one said a word.
I went back and finished my meal.
It also is not that unusual for someone to be armed down here; sort of like putting on your socks.

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Where is down here? My CCW permit is FL and good in 25 states currently.

[GrandEagle]

Where is down here?
OOPS! Sorry, Alabama is down here. I don't know about Florida.

[potlatch]

for 22 years, I was held hostage in my own home as my ex-husband practiced killing me day in and day out with his beloved guns. It’s a disease of dependence with fear and control its drug.

Does that make sense? Where was her brain? If SHE had had a gun, maybe he couldn't have done that!

[rock58seg]

........Less lethal avenues should be sought if you feel you need to defend your life 24 hours a day. There’s something wrong with the inadequate mind that needs to use a gun to feel protected. Seeking help to bolster one’s insecurities would be a good place to start.......

Never bring a knife to a gunfight.

[rock58seg]

Obviously, practice does not make perfect in this case.

[GrandEagle]

I live in the anti gun state of Illinois.
Gotta be tough for a freedom loving individual such as yourself!

Is the whole state that way or just the City of Chicago?
I have had a couple of projects in New York - just outside of Albany. I feel like I've left home without my underwear on or something. A bit un-nerving walking around unarmed.
You can't carry in any court room down here either. The court rooms are on the second floor with the metal detectors on the first before the elevators.
They have small lockers before you get to the metal detectors with keys so you can store your weapon while in court.

[supercat]

Every car is registered; every driver is licensed or should be. Cars are important and dangerous. Guns are important and dangerous. So what's the problem with gun registration and owner licenses?

Except in a few liberal-infested states like California, no license or any other form of credential is required to own a vehicle if that vehicle will not be used on public roads. Anyone--regardless of age or criminal history--is allowed to purchase or own a vehicle, and anyone may operate vehicles on private property with the permission of the propert owner (it used to be, and probably still is, common for children twelve and under to drive cars around on farms). Although in most cases the operation of a vehicle on public roads will require both the vehicle and owner to have government-issued credentials, vehicles may be transported (not under their own power) anywhere without any government credentials. When government credentials are given in any state to operate vehicles, the credentials are honored in all 50 states.

Somehow treating guns like cars doesn't seem so favorable to liberals, does it?

BTW, another difference between firearms and cars is that it is very common for people to leave their vehicles unattended in areas which are accessible to the general public (indeed, vehicles and bicycles are probably the only type of item so treated). Registration can be useful for contacting the owners of vehicles (or bicycles) which have been left somewhere they shouldn't be. Although registration could theoretically serve such a function with firearms, as noted before most people don't leave firearms unattended in areas open to the general public.

[supercat]

How could they print such an embarrassment? It could only have been worse if she'd called for the killing of CCW holders.

My gut instinct tells me the ad was a 'sting'. Though I find myself wondering how often different police agencies end up 'stinging' each other.

[libstripper]

Strange. I live in east Tennessee, have had a carry permit for about the last eight years, and got my last speeding ticket from a State Trooper about three years ago. He didn't approach me with his weapon drawn and, although I have seen many other speeding stops, I don't know of a single case where a trooper has drawn his weapon for a simple speeding bust. By the way, Tennessee has the highest per capita legal carry rate in the country. The other interesting thing is there hasn't been a single report of a Tennessee CCW permit holder using his or her weapon against an officer.

[GrandEagle]

Now THATS an add!

[Travis McGee]

"I will always be against putting more potentially dangerous weapons in the hands of our general public."

Yes, only the police and the military need them.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

You guys might enjoy my letter to Chicago Sun Times. Let’s see if they publish it? Gov to lower age to get gun permits solo March 28, 2004

BY CHERYL V. JACKSON Staff Reporter

Gov. Blagojevich will sign legislation that lowers to 18 the minimum age to own a gun in Illinois without parental consent, but his spokeswoman told the Chicago Sun-Times on Saturday he is vowing to veto two other bills that ease local gun laws.

One bill would allow a self-defense claim to override municipal handgun bans. The other would allow retired police officers and former military police officers to carry concealed weapons.

"He's putting the General Assembly on notice that if these two bills were to reach his desk, that he would veto these two bills," spokeswoman Cheryle Jackson said. "They're nothing more than Trojan horses to turn Illinois into a conceal-and-carry state."

The Illinois Senate on Friday approved the bill to allow the retired officers to carry concealed guns. That bill is now pending in the House. Earlier in the week, the House and Senate passed National Rifle Association-backed bills that would allow people who break local gun laws to avoid fines if the gun is used in self-defense.

They were inspired by Hale DeMar, who in December shot a man who broke into his Wilmette home two nights in a row. DeMar was cited for violating Wilmette's handgun ban.

The bill Blagojevich will support would lower the age from 21 to 18 to obtain a gun owner's permit without parental consent. The bill was passed in the Senate last week. A similar bill was also passed in the House.

Eighteen-year-olds can currently get the permits if they have their parents' consent and pass a background check, Jackson said.

"If they can make good judgments and protect our liberties on the battlefield, then I think we can trust them to use legally licensed firearms when they're out hunting," Jackson said.

A separate state law still bars people under 21 from buying handguns. The bill the governor supports would not change that. That means 18-year-olds could get a permit without their parents' consent, and legally borrow or inherit a handgun, critics say.

Blagojevich's decision could help him walk the line between those calling for easing of gun restrictions and those who want laws to stay in place.

While in Congress, he pushed for tougher gun control laws, which put him in line with Chicago lawmakers but might have hurt him Downstate, where there is more support for easing gun laws.

"Illinois is a big and diverse state. You've got your rural communities and the hunting community, and you've got to preserve the rights of hunters and sportsmen to legally own guns," Jackson said. "That's very different from in urban areas, where you have to be very vigilant about gun violence."

-----Original Message----- From: Midwest Group [mailto:law9@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:06 AM To: aCPaul; letters@suntimes.com Subject: Letter to Editor Ms. Cheryl V Jacson Sunday article.

The Chicago Sun Times

401 N Wabash

Chicago, 60611

LETTER TO THE EDITOR fax 312.321.2120

I would like to respond to Ms. Cheryl V Jackson opine regarding gun rights in the Sunday March 28, 2004.

Please consider my letter for the editorial page. You have my permission to edit for spelling and structure – your advice is welcome. If you have any questions or concerns regarding clarity or my views, please give me a call; I would be happy to clarify or confirm.

Just for verification my permit number 2013203 FL. Please withhold my name because of obvious reasons. But you think this makes me whimpy then I will allow the signed letter.

If you would like to shorten the article please delete the following paragraph (3) giving 343 words.

Why are police called “armed historians”? It is because police seldom stop crime. In IL 83% of 508,202 felony crimes, the criminals were not arrested in 2002. Each citizen has the responsible for his or her own self-defense.

Best regards,

Editor letters@suntimes.com

I take issue with Ms. Cheryl V Jackson Sunday, 3.28.3004 opinion regarding retired police officer and citizens gun rights as Trojan horses for Conceal Carry (CCW). Even the bible in the Cain Able murder was smart enough to blame the sword holder and not the sword. This issue is more than about duck hunting, it’s about self-defense.

The state of Illinois is only one of four states that bands CCW the other three KS, NB, and WI. WI failed by one vote in 2004 to override the Governor veto and stands a good pass chance in 2005. The state of KS is moving quickly to pass CCW. What do politicians and citizens in 40 plus other states know about honest American citizens and self-defense rights that the Chicago leaders don’t want you to know? We know criminals love unarmed women, handicap, the elderly and homeowners. Just ask Britain’s homeowners.

Why are police called “armed historians”? It is because police seldom stop crime. In IL 83% of 508,202 felony crimes, the criminals were not arrested in 2002. Each citizen has the responsible for his or her own self-defense.

I am an Illinois residence, CCW permitted holder and retired Chicago exec. At last count 27 states honor my CCW rights as a out-of-state resident. My travel takes me to MI, IN, KY, OH, TN, MO, SD, and NC and the people in all of these states trust me. My CCW required an FBI, Check, State police check and lots of training a study. I am the good guy not the bad guy. I have never had to display my self-defense tool and hope and pray I never will. I constantly run the risk of an inadvertent display as I travel across some invisible lines representing felony violations.

CCW permit holders live by a code. 1. CCW is for protection of innocent life only, 2. Know exactly when you can use your firearm for self-defense. 3. If you can run away safely, run, run, run. 4. Display your firearm and go to jail. 5. Don’t let your emotions get the best of you.

Five million CCW permit holders plus police exist in the USA. It is time for IL citizens to ask the tough question of all Chicago leaders?

Naperville, IL

Back up -- A letter published in the Naperville Sun in January of 2004

Thank you, Ms. Laren Ritzert, for engaging in the debate for right to self-defense of family.

Our President said it best in the State of the Union address to paraphrase. Citizens of America do not need a permission slip for self-defense.

I have several questions for you to debate with your criminal justice classes.

1. How many felony acts (murder to rape) occur each year in IL? 2. How many are caught? 3.How many of the felony acts committed by perpetrators did the armed police stop? 4. Why are police called “armed historians”?

5. What do 45 states know about CCW or RTC issues that Illinois citizens do not know? 6. What percentage of the general population normally applies for CCW?

7. How many police officers are on duty during any duty cycle?

8. What is this ratio to population?

9. Are criminals more afraid of homeowners with a gun or police? 10. Did 93.2% of 22,392 chiefs of police and sheriff agree that law abiding citizens, be able to purchase a firearm for self-defense? Yes/No.

11. In the Cain/Abel murder did Jesus band the sword from the victim, or did Jesus condemn the actions of the perpetrator? 12. Do you need a license to save your life? 13. Is it true that more senior citizens are purchasing firearms for home protection? 14. Is it true that citizens have stopped a lot more crime than police?

Finally, for your criminal justice class visit the website below and view the thousands of unsolved felony cases, warrants, sexual offenders and fugitives from justice that IL police are looking for. The crime has been committed but no arrests, nor were the police present to prevent. http://www.statelocalgov.net/state-il.htm

Answers 1. In IL 508,200 felonies were committed in 2002. 2. 107,000 arrested or 21%. 3. ZERO. 4. Because police most always arrive after the crime to report the crime scene to the state. 5. 45 states allow their law-abiding citizens to protect their families. 6. Less than 1% except FL which as 2%. 7. About 120,000 per day. 8. .000428 % or 1 policemen for every 2,500 citizens. 9. Homeowners absolutely. 10. Yes, 92 % agree law-abiding citizens have firearms for self-defense. 11. Jesus condemned the action of the perpetrator, not disarming of the victim. 12. Only (hoplophobia) gun control nuts believe this is true. 13. yes, It is true seniors are buying more firearms for self-defense than ever before. 14. What do you think?

Other women who know how Mrs. Price was lied too by the government false statements that 911 will protect you.

*Out of state permit states for CCW*

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