IBM wins $750 million infotech service outsourcing deal from India

Yahoo News ^ | 02/26/2004 | unknown

[BushisTheMan]

anti-outsoursing article

[krb]

Wow, that's cool.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

wow, free trade allows companies to do what they are good at without government intervention. who would've thunk it?

[ottothedog]

Can't tell from the article whether this invovles U.S. workers or not. Could just be IBM India. Yes/No?

[sixmil]

That's what I was thinking. IBM isn't really an American company anymore is it?

[BushisTheMan]

"We're outsourcing the management of our desktop IT environment to improve cost efficiency and service flexibility," he added.

Reading the article, it was hard to tell. Howeer, it says that 200 Indians will be transferred to IBM to work with IBMers on desktop IT environments. That says to me that this company is hiring IBM to create desktop software. Those software people will be in the United States.

Don't get me wrong, IBM is planning to outsource lots of jobs to India and China, which is why I send letters of complain to IBM's management.

[ex-snook]

"Under the 10-year contract, 200 Bharti computer engineers will be transferred to IBM but some of them will still work on the premises of the Indian group. "

This deal is good for American workers? [Right and Private Lynch was Rambo]

[taxcontrol]

Fingers on keyboards will likely be Indian. Brain trust will be from the US, some from AsiaPac region and EMEA.

[Mariner]

Nearly all of the workers will be Indian.

[neutrino]

Under the 10-year contract, 200 Bharti computer engineers will be transferred to IBM but some of them will still work on the premises of the Indian group.

Heck of a deal! In other words, all the jobs will still be held by Indians.

"This arrangement is possible because they (IBM) are not only an American company but have a strong presence in India with about 9,000 employees which is not a small number," said Mittal. "I feel safe in their hands."

Um-hmm. They have 9,000 employees there, get a contract, hire more Indians on that, and U.S. workers get....nothing.

As I said before, heck of a deal! (/bitter sarcasm)

[jpsb]

Well this is nice, India IBM won a deal with an Indian telcom company. Might create a dozen or so Jobs in the USA which is good. But it isn't out sourcing to the US in anything like the way US companies are out sourcing to India. The jobs were in India and the Jobs are staying in India so it's an apples to oranges comparison. But it is still good news ... for IBM.

[jpsb]

wow, free trade allows companies to do what they are good at without government interventionYea, that why India maintains high tariffs to prevent US exports from entering the Indian market.

[BushisTheMan]

It's not that it is going to create more jobs...it is that they are hiring IBM as consultants so lots of software developers stay employed here in the U.S.

[BushisTheMan]

Bingo...you win!

[CasearianDaoist]

But you will hear this deal and others like it touted as an example of how outsourcing is "good for America." Not one of the studies I have seen about work "outsourced" to "American firms" breaks out what the actual work is, where it is done or even what sector.

Watch the India Government proclaim that "they are doing their part" to ease trade tensions. They are just laughing at us, right in our faces.

[CasearianDaoist]

No it does not say that. It say that they are using some portion of th 9,000 Indians already employed by IBM. The outsourcers get more brazon with their doublespeak every day.

The American voter is not that stupid. The GOP better get their act together on this.

[international american]

Exactly!

[CasearianDaoist]

None of the big American companies are. That is just the point.

[Zathras]

60% of our building in Santa Clara, CA is already filled with Indians.
We have Indian engineers, security guards, grounds keepers, IT people.

The Indian managers only hire Indians.

[KC_for_Freedom]

The Indian managers only hire Indians.

Very multicultural, and you can bet management wants it this way. They get their cultural quota list in order muy pronto. At Lockheed where I worked, the HR group was black and disabled persons. If a non disadvantaged person got hired, it was not a case of racism, because of who did the hiring. At my wife's temp job, the Phillipine HR staff only hired their ethnicity.