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Jefferson, Madison, [Atheist] Newdow?
nytimes.com ^ | March 26, 2004 | KENNETH C. DAVIS

Posted on 03/26/2004 6:46:05 PM PST by Destro

March 26, 2004

OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

Jefferson, Madison, Newdow?

By KENNETH C. DAVIS

DORSET, Vt.

When Michael Newdow stood before the Supreme Court on Wednesday and made the case for atheism, he probably didn't win many converts. But his quixotic crusade to rid the Pledge of Allegiance of the words "under God" is a peculiarly American act of courage. And somewhere the spirits of Jefferson, Madison and Franklin may well be smiling.

Few questions have inspired as much myth and misconception as the place of God in America. For example, when the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit struck the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance last year — the decision that is before the Supreme Court now — Attorney General John Ashcroft said that God is mentioned "in our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, national anthem, on our coins and in the Gettysburg Address."

Well, he was 80 percent right — but he was wrong on the most important item. The Constitution is the creation of "we, the people" and never mentions a deity aside from the pro forma phrase "in the year of our Lord." The men who wrote the Constitution labored for months. There's little chance that they simply forgot to mention a higher power. So what were they thinking?

They certainly were from a background in which religion was important. Eighteenth-century America was largely Christian and overwhelmingly Protestant, and the dominant Protestant denominations (Congregationalism in New England, the Anglican Church in the South) even enjoyed state subsidies. Quakers were hanged in the early Colonial era, while Roman Catholics faced discrimination in matters of voting and property. In other words, young America may have been a Christian nation, but it wasn't a very tolerant one.

But the founders were also children of the great intellectual ferment known as the Enlightenment. In the debate over the place of God in public America, few framers are cited more often than Ben Franklin. In the summer of 1787, with the Constitutional Convention haggling over the nation's fate, Franklin proposed opening the day's meetings with a prayer, a proposal often cited by public-prayer advocates. But these advocates leave out the rest of the story.

After Franklin's motion, Alexander Hamilton argued that if people knew that the delegates were resorting to prayer, it would be seen as an act of desperation. Then Hugh Williamson of North Carolina pointed out that the convention lacked the money to pay for a chaplain, and there the proposition died. Franklin later noted, "The convention, except three or four persons, thought prayers unnecessary."

Alongside Franklin's doomed proposal, George Washington's religious fervor is often cited. The father of our country was a regular churchgoer, but what's left out of the story is that he usually left services before Communion. He was a deist who called on Providence, an amorphous power he referred to as "it." Nominally Episcopalian, Washington was also a Freemason, along with many other founders. A semisecret society, Organized Freemasonry was formed in London in 1717 by a group of anticlerical free thinkers dedicated to the ideals of charity, equality, morality and service to the Great Architect of the Universe.

Then there is Jefferson, who inveighed against "every form of tyranny over the mind of man," by which he meant organized religion. In 1786, his Statute for Religious Freedom was approved by the Virginia Legislature through the efforts of James Madison, a chief architect of the Constitution and later an opponent of the practice of paying a Congressional chaplain. This statute guaranteed every Virginian the freedom to worship in the church of his choice and ended state support of the Anglican Church.

But more important than the founders's private faith was the concept that they all embraced passionately: the freedom to practice religion, as well as not to. They had risked their lives to free America from a country with an official religion and a king who claimed a divine right. They believed that government's purpose was to protect people's earthly rights, not their heavenly fates. As for Jefferson, he wrote that it made no difference to him whether his neighbor affirmed one God or 20, since, he added, "It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

It was this concept — that the government should neither enforce, encourage or otherwise intrude on religion — that found its way into the godless Constitution in the form of the First Amendment. Even the presidential oath of office, which is laid out in the Constitution, does not mention the deity. George Washington ad libbed the "So help me God" at his inaugural ceremony. Every president since has added this personal oath. They choose to say it; the Constitution does not compel it.

The Supreme Court may embrace Dr. Newdow's passionate plea, side with "under God" or split 4-4 and leave the lower court ruling alone, and it won't pick our pockets or break our legs. But the sight of one man standing up to challenge God and country is something that Madison, Jefferson and Franklin would cheer, and every American can celebrate.

Kenneth C. Davis is the author of "Don't Know Much About History: Everything You Need to Know About American History but Never Learned."


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: deists; founders; newdow; newyorkslimes; onenationindivisible; pledge; scotus; undergod
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1 posted on 03/26/2004 6:46:05 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
His daughter is a religious christian youngster. That I find humorous considering this guy is claiming the pledge is inflicting emotional damage on kids LOL.
2 posted on 03/26/2004 6:47:39 PM PST by cyborg (troll on a stick)
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To: Destro
"But his quixotic crusade to rid the Pledge of Allegiance of the words "under God" is a peculiarly American act of courage."

Ah, more straight, unbiased reporting from the NY Times.

Qwinn
3 posted on 03/26/2004 6:50:10 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: cyborg
The opinions of minors does not carry any weight.
4 posted on 03/26/2004 6:50:32 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
You forgot to mention, major BARF!
5 posted on 03/26/2004 6:50:57 PM PST by richnwise (Live free or die!)
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To: Qwinn
It is. Are you so blind not to take pride in the fact that an outcast can go before the Supreme Court and challenge a law - and be heard? Without being killed or thrown in a gulag?
6 posted on 03/26/2004 6:51:43 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: richnwise
No you need to read between the lines. See ,y #6. That is what the article is praising.
7 posted on 03/26/2004 6:52:22 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
You owe me a new keyboard....my current is covered with Vomit....

I am really sick of seeing the Neadow character being portrayed as anything other than a uncaring, opportunistic bastard who gives not a whit for his family but only for his ego.
9 posted on 03/26/2004 6:54:00 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: Destro
Kenneth C. Davis is the author of "Don't Know Much About History: Everything You Need to Know About American History but Never Learned."

Here Mr. Davis let me finish the title....

"because me and my communist allies removed anything true in history with our revisionist policies and replaced it with moose piss and bull excrament."

10 posted on 03/26/2004 6:58:19 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: Blue Scourge
He did not do anything wrong. The pledge did not have "under God" in it until 1954. I would not care if it "under God" was in there or if it was not. By the way, the pledge was written by a socialist and in the 50's the communists were annoying many by reminding Americans of this fact so that is why the congress insperted "under God" in the original (actually the second version of the pledge).
11 posted on 03/26/2004 6:59:53 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Blue Scourge
You mean like how the pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist?
12 posted on 03/26/2004 7:00:27 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
When Kenneth C. Davis stands before the Almighty to give an account of all his deeds, do you think he will still be touting how highly he thought it was of Newdow to challenge HimA?
13 posted on 03/26/2004 7:00:35 PM PST by job (Dinsdale?Dinsdale?)
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To: Destro
I will give credit to our court system for being open to anyone w/out persecution....but this guy really gets to me...
14 posted on 03/26/2004 7:01:07 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: Destro
"Outcast"? LOL.

Under what pretext do you claim he's an outcast? Because of his atheistic beliefs? Or because he's trying to silence others?

His motivation is pure anti-Christian bigotry. Would you similarly claim that George Wallace was an outcast showing a peculiar courage for challenging the law?

Qwinn
15 posted on 03/26/2004 7:01:45 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Destro
Newdow has an interesting argument. My wife and I were talking about it the other night, and if you actually listen to what he says, the debate is truly interesting. Hogwash, of course, but interesting. Does the Constitution protect an atheist from having to hear about God.

The trouble is, we have liberal judges who listen to this. And, as I was telling my wife, liberals confuse interesting with compelling. So you've got liberal judges who hear what really is an interesting debate and they become convinced by it. They lack basic common sense.

While I don't know that I'd go so far as calling Newdow courageous, I don't think he should be vilified. And I say this as a believing Christian who believes that history has proven that as a nation (or empire) drifts further from God it speeds towards its own demise.
16 posted on 03/26/2004 7:02:43 PM PST by SittinYonder
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To: Destro
He was a deist who called on Providence, an amorphous power he referred to as "it."

Calling on "Providence" or praying is anathema to deism.

But what the hell, make it up as you go.

17 posted on 03/26/2004 7:03:15 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: Destro
And while the Court was in session, the House opened with a prayer. Does the Senate?

The opening prayer from:

Thursday, May 9, 1935 The Chaplain, Rev. James Shera Montgomery, D.D., offered the following prayer; Infinite God, we rejoice that in the midst of selfishness and the disordered condition of this life the fountain of Thy mercy is accessible and open to all. They that put their trust in the Lord shall be as Mount Zion that cannot be removed. Though our infirmities be as the sands of the seashore, Thou art our bountiful Father. We pray that we may have in initial leaning toward goodness, virtue, and truth. When different avenues of duty are before us, do Thou help us to accept the worthiest and the most excellent. We ask Thee to give us the right angle of vision of the needs of our country, and may we make our survey in the light of the teaching of the Man of Galilee. Holy Spirit, purify our dispositions and give enrichment to our personal pleasures. As we view the field of purpose and duty, of life and destiny, we beseech Thee to appoint us to a place in the vast design. Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

On May 14th, Rev. Montgomery closed the prayer with In Thy holy name. Amen.

On April 16th, he closed the prayer with Through Christ. Amen. The Constitution does acknowledge the Blessings of Liberty.

18 posted on 03/26/2004 7:04:50 PM PST by WhiteyAppleseed (2 million defensive gun uses a year. Tell that to the Gun Fairy who'd rather leave you toothless.)
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To: SittinYonder
Does the Constitution protect an atheist from having to hear about God.

Absolutely, the 66th Amendment. To wit:

The right to not be offended shall not be abridged.

19 posted on 03/26/2004 7:05:05 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: Destro
......ya know.....I really have to start reading through threads with Neadow on it.....I've read 3 already tonight about him that where indeed "barf" alerts. I suppose I saw this thread and the title and figured it was a similar post to one I read earlier....

lesson learned...
20 posted on 03/26/2004 7:05:27 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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