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Rice Forcefully Rebuts Clarke Testimony (Releases E-mail...)
CNN ^ | 3/25/04 | John King

Posted on 03/25/2004 6:22:06 AM PST by Coop

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:04:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- National security adviser Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that administration records -- including former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke's own words and actions -- prove false his "scurrilous allegation that somehow the president of the United States was not attentive to the terrorist threat."


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; alqaeda; bush; clarke; condoleezarice; dontgethermad; richardclarke
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To: camas
i think maybe this was planned by McAufull and possibly Carville. it would have worked if not for FOX and the taped briefing tape. without the tape they could say Condi's was just trying to spin it and a lot of people would believe it and vote for kerry.

No way. The White House has this E-mail, Clarke's resignation letter, undoubtedly many other forms of correspondence. FNC just helped them out. This was a pathetic effort, IMHO.

41 posted on 03/25/2004 6:49:24 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word this veteran would use to describe John Kerry)
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To: Coop
Wow. I am astonished. CNN finally published a story that does not drip with anti-Bush rhetoric.

Man, I'm dizzy. Where am I? Did I wake up in a parallel universe or something?

Just cannot believe that John King, CNN's distorter extraordinaire, finally gave fair play to statements made by Condi Rice.

Maybe even they can see through this charade by a disgruntled man (Clarke)who has so obviously set his sites on becoming Homeland Security honcho if --- and that is a big, slimy, reprehensible IF --- f'ing Kerry wins the election.
42 posted on 03/25/2004 6:50:01 AM PST by Edit35
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To: bogdanPolska12
Liberals hate her because she's the very proof that their belief system, if you can call it that, is based on a lie. They are trying to keep a whole new generation of minorities in subservient status by trying to convince them that they need government to help them. Dr. Rice and Sec. Powell emphatically dispell that notion. Everytime they open their mouths, they prove the lie of the Dem apparatus.
43 posted on 03/25/2004 6:51:57 AM PST by twigs
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To: dyno35
Yesterday morning I had CNN on (shameful, I know) while getting dressed, and they of course led with the Clarke allegations. Then, much to my surprise, they countered with the White House's release of Clarke's resignation letter - even putting very complimentary passages up on the screen. I was impressed, although I'm not holding my breath for it to become a trend.
44 posted on 03/25/2004 6:51:59 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word this veteran would use to describe John Kerry)
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To: Coop
It is probably important to understand Clarke's premorbid personality. There are many systemts. Below is a variant of the Meyer/Briggs 16 PF. It is that of the Mastermind. Marina Margaret Heiss wrote what is quoted below.

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know. INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.

In the broadest terms, what INTJs "do" tends to be what they "know". Typical INTJ career choices are in the sciences and engineering, but they can be found wherever a combination of intellect and incisiveness are required (e.g., law, some areas of academia). INTJs can rise to management positions when they are willing to invest time in marketing their abilities as well as enhancing them, and (whether for the sake of ambition or the desire for privacy) many also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.

Personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, can be the INTJ's Achilles heel. While they are capable of caring deeply for others (usually a select few), and are willing to spend a great deal of time and effort on a relationship, the knowledge and self-confidence that make them so successful in other areas can suddenly abandon or mislead them in interpersonal situations.

This happens in part because many INTJs do not readily grasp the social rituals; for instance, they tend to have little patience and less understanding of such things as small talk and flirtation (which most types consider half the fun of a relationship). To complicate matters, INTJs are usually extremely private people, and can often be naturally impassive as well, which makes them easy to misread and misunderstand. Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-) This sometimes results in a peculiar naivete', paralleling that of many Fs -- only instead of expecting inexhaustible affection and empathy from a romantic relationship, the INTJ will expect inexhaustible reasonability and directness.

Probably the strongest INTJ assets in the interpersonal area are their intuitive abilities and their willingness to "work at" a relationship. Although as Ts they do not always have the kind of natural empathy that many Fs do, the Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression. This ability can then be honed and directed by consistent, repeated efforts to understand and support those they care about, and those relationships which ultimately do become established with an INTJ tend to be characterized by their robustness, stability, and good communications. Famous Maserminds are: Dan Aykroyd, actor (The Blues Brothers)Susan B. Anthony, suffragistArthur Ashe, tennis championAugustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus), Emperor of Rome Jane Austen, author (Pride and Prejudice) William J. Bennett, "drug czar" William F. Buckley, Jr., conservative political advocate Raymond Burr, actor (Perry Mason, Ironsides)Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane), actor (Fletch)Phil Donahue, television talk show host Michael Dukakis, governor of Mass., 1988 U.S. Dem. pres. candidate Greg Gumbel, television sportscaster Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader Veronica Hamel, actor (Hill Street Blues) Orel Leonard Hershiser, IV, major league baseball pitcher Peter Jennings, television newscaster Charles Everett Koop, former U.S. surgeon general Ivan Lendl, tennis champion C. S. Lewis, author (The Chronicles of Narnia) Joan Lunden, television talk show host Edwin Moses, U.S. olympian (hurdles) Martina Navratilova, tennis champion Charles Rangel, U. S. Representative, D-N.Y. Pernell Roberts, actor (Bonanza) Maria Owens Shriver, television newscaster Josephine Tey (Elizabeth Mackintosh), mystery writer (Brat Farrar) Rudy Giuliani, New York City mayor Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense General Colin Powell, US Secretary of State

U.S. Presidents:Chester A. Arthur,calvin Coolidge Thomas Jefferson John F. Kennedy James K. Polk Woodrow Wilson

Sometimes to understand a work product you have to understand the person doing it. While this may seem trivial or silly to try to draw a picture of a person's personality, the Meyer/Briggs approach has been widely used for 60 years.

45 posted on 03/25/2004 6:53:40 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: bogdanPolska12
Good Morning, bogdanPolska12. I Wish You, All of Your Family and Friends a Very Fine Day and Once Again, Welcome to Free Republic.


:-) Very Best FReegards, Defender2 D2
46 posted on 03/25/2004 6:56:06 AM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: TomGuy; Coop
He was whining that Fox shouldn't have aired it and the WH shouldn't have released it.

A letter posted on NRO's "The Corner" last night:

"The confidentiality claim belongs to the White House, not Clarke. I say that as a 20-year veteran journalist in television and print, including many years as a television anchor, producer, and reporter for four different television stations in three states, and as an editor, columnist, and reporter for two newspapers. Clarke's background comments were on background at the request of the administration, not Clarke personally. The White House has every right to waive the claim, FOX has every right to ask them to waive the claim, and FOX has every moral and ethical justification to run with the story once the claim is waived. Case closed."

--Mike Reeder

47 posted on 03/25/2004 6:56:17 AM PST by BlackRazor
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To: BlackRazor
Good post. What Jim Angle of FNC said in a nutshell.
48 posted on 03/25/2004 6:57:48 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word this veteran would use to describe John Kerry)
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To: Coop; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; windchime; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; ...
A senior official also said Rice twice complained directly to Clarke about his rare appearances at her senior staff meetings. In one e-mail, Clarke responded he was "too busy" and that after he missed another meeting Rice responded that he would have a "problem" if he did not start attending.

Rice said Clarke did once mention in an early 2001 memo the possibility of al Qaeda sleeper cells in the United States. But she said he made "no recommendation about what to do about them."

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God bless Conde Rice!

49 posted on 03/25/2004 6:57:51 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine)
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To: All
Someone on the 9/11 thread yesterday warned that if Condi took her gloves off, this guy would be history. How prophetic.
50 posted on 03/25/2004 6:58:34 AM PST by Cate (Bush is da' man.)
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To: Defender2
after seeing him on TV, it has occurred to me that Richard Clarke is a racist, sexist and a wannabe elitist who could only find relief in the party of social justice at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government...rto
51 posted on 03/25/2004 7:00:17 AM PST by visitor (dems are committing hairy kerry to defend our national security with a shifty politician like JFK)
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To: Coop; billbears; Burkeman1; JohnGalt
If someone broke into a business due to some security oversight and killed someone, the guard on duty would be out of a job. The National Security Adviser saw 3,000 people die under her watch because she couldn't imagine the possibility of a crazed terrorist crashing a plane into a building and she is held up as a hero. Aren't we paying her to imagine those types of scenarios? If not, then what kind of national security advice is she charge with providing? And if the administration's rebuttal is that they actually were attentive to the terrorist threat, how can we explain 9/11? I'm not saying Rice is personally responsible, but it's clear that someone somewhere along the line dropped the ball.

I find it amazing that no one is more critical of the government. Democrat or Republican, it's still the same Washington bureaucracy that has stripped Americans of the right to keep and bears arms while offering the false reassurance that they will keep us safe. One or two guns on those planes would have saved 3,000 lives, but not one person in the entire administration is addressing that fact.

52 posted on 03/25/2004 7:00:24 AM PST by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: Coop
I would not enjoy being on the receiving end of that stare.
53 posted on 03/25/2004 7:02:21 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: sheltonmac
Aren't we paying her to imagine those types of scenarios?

Gotta call for reinforcements, huh? Well, bring 'em on!

I envisioned the scenario, so did the CIA and most other even remotely knowledgeable people I know. If a car/truck can be used as a bomb, a plane can't? So I don't know why she used that choice of words. I disagree with her.

But imagining a scenario and identifying that it's a real threat, it's in planning, and identifying when/where/how and a plan to counteract it. Didn't happen.

Look, for you or anyone else to say - with a straight face - that an administration in place for 7.5 months (with abbreviated transition time thanks to Al Gore and the Congress delaying confirmation of deputies) should face the same level of blame as an administration in office for 8 years and attacked by Al Qaeda 5 or 6 times.

Take your nonsense and your insults of Dr. Rice elsewhere.

54 posted on 03/25/2004 7:04:22 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word this veteran would use to describe John Kerry)
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To: Dog
Heard Harold Ford yesterday, before Clarke testified, and he was at that time very cautious about defending Kerry.

No unqualified endorsement at all!

55 posted on 03/25/2004 7:05:20 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Defender2
CLARKE: "Ah, but the Al Qaeda! That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that the Al Qaeda did exist! And I'd have produced Bin Laden if they hadn't pulled me out of action! I-I-I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow beaurocrats! And! And! And....

Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory if I've left anything out in my pevious testimony, why, just ask me specific questions and I'll be glad to answer them...one-by-one..(Clarke removes the steel balls from his pocket and he spins them in his palm insistently as he speaks...)

56 posted on 03/25/2004 7:05:34 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
#52. Our Not so favored FRiends have just been called to this thread.
57 posted on 03/25/2004 7:05:58 AM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Dog
Notice that while the failure is all Tenet's, the blame in all on Dr. Rice.

This is a concerted effort to get her now before she becomes a presidential or vice presidential candidate.

58 posted on 03/25/2004 7:06:28 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Defender2
Clarke is just a bit player in the machinations at Foggy Bottom.
59 posted on 03/25/2004 7:06:37 AM PST by ijcr (Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
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To: Defender2
Regarding your #8 post......it's pure evil!
60 posted on 03/25/2004 7:07:00 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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