..WOOLSEY on FoX = "CLARKE doesn't listen to others"..

FoX News Channel 'On the Record' with Gretta VanSustren ^ | 3/24/2004 | JAMES WOOLSEY

[ALOHA RONNIE]

NEVER FORGET

...Former CIA Director JAMES WOOLSEY was just on the FoX News Channel's 'On the Record' Show with GRETTA VanSUSTREN.

2 outstanding quotes re 911 Commission Hearings:

"Understanding the Past is a piece of understanding the Future"

"CLARKE does not listen to others once he locks onto a single point of view. Case in point would be the case for state-sponsored terrorism that CIA Director TENANT laid out before the 911 Commission today that CLARKE disagreed with"

...WOOLSEY = A man on a mission for CLARITY. ...CLARKE = A man on a mission for CONFUSION.

NEVER FORGET

[pacpam]

Demos never step out of character, I've learned not to either. Bush is not perfect, but he is head and shoulders above anyone on the other side. Woolsey nailed Clarke tonight for who he is. He is the epitomy of the 'Peter Principle'. Ask Christopher Shays sub-committee who tried to get logic out of him in 1999-2000.

[NormsRevenge]

You asked,, but I doubt you will be here long enough to reply at this point.

President Bush is not perfect and neither are any of us who draw breath.

When you consider the pains the nation has been subjected to as political discourse is stirred constantly over issues like preemptive attacks, "missing" WMDs vs. non-existent WMDs, a lot of folks do tip over the apple cart in open rebellion or at least harsh words.. Add in Prescription drugs, Campaign Finance Reform, Immigration, FRee Trade,, etc .. No, there are no shortage of reasons to be an unhappy camper on any and all of those issues.

But Then let us take a look at the Big Enchilada... National Security.. If Mr. Clarke were half as persuasive in his arguments as he is in his bold faced assertions (for questionable reasons in an election year), then we might not be facing as many global challenges as we are today as a nation.

Go ahead and pick the bones of any carcass of failed and marginal ops plans that Clinton executed, and then put them up against Bush's "failures" globally,, Clarke's claims speak more to a lack of action and a disinterest in pursuing threats as he so wisely was able to ascertain them. Now he is offended that anyone would question him and his sincerity, but he is not above grandstanding as we are vigorously fighting terrorism on a global scale.

He was on with Larry King tonight, btw. No previous official in his post has ever written a book and performed such political treachery in the history of the nation, while the administration(s) was still in office.

Does he have an agenda? You bet. It is far from Republican however.

I hope you caught Mr. Lehman's comments today, they speak to Clarke's inadequacy as a faithful servant.

[P-Marlowe]

Doesn't he look like that heaven's gate guy?

Separated at Birth

[tkathy]

Condi Rice better get out there and fight this with all her might. She would prove herself, IMHO.

[piasa]

I understand you all like Bush and all. Your option off course. Help me understand though how everyone just simply discounts information from people who disagree with the administration.

No one here is 'simply discounting info from people who disagree with the administration,' as you would know if you had been a freeper for more than one day.

People discount the guy for a number of reasons, the most important being Clarke's inability to keep his own story straight. Other relevent items being that Clarke constantly wants to try to discount Iraq's connection to al Qaeda, his claim that there is NO evidence out there linking the two when there is plenty of evidence out there, from memos to witnesses and even Iraqi diplomats working with groups and individuals in Bin Laden's terrorist international. Yet another item is his association with people who clearly are NOT conservative, such as Beers, a person who signed a rather stupid DemocratsAbroad.org Kerry endorsement letter, along with yet another egotist Joe Wilson who also tried to pass himself off as a 'conservative' but who turned out to be another Kerry campaign staffer. You're known by the people you associate with... when you associate with far-left groups which focus mindlessly about how important it is that we as a nation hand our sovereignity over to the UN, you cannot be trusted. Clarke, like Beers and Wilson and others before him, got caught up in their own lies and their own egos.

I can understand this when done to people like al franken or whoever else.

In what way is Clarke different from Al Franken?

But really isn't it at least the tinest bit troubling when two major figures like Paul o'neil and clarke start saying things that corroborate eachother?

Not when they cannot even corroborate themselves. And not when Clarke, a staffer, tries to play himself as the central figure in EVERYTHING. I know that kind of person only too well...

Especially since clarke served three republican presidents and was last registered as a republican.

Clarke served as a bureaucrat- they stay where the easiest paycheck is, most of the time, which is why he remained in government through FOUR presidents, including Clinton- why'd you leave CLINTON out of your list? It was in Clinton's terms that Mr. Clarke made his greatest advancements, and likely where he developed his rather large ego. Clinton did pretty much nothing on terrorism other than kissing Arafat's behind, letting Pakistani scientists have free run in our nuclear labs, and divert attention from islamic terrorism to so-called rightwing domestic groups instead. Where was Mr. Antiterrorist then?

Clarke's being a registered republican means nothing- plenty of weasels have worn the title- remember Governor Ryan of Illinois? How about Hanssen the spy?

According to Clarke he also voted for McCain in the 2000 primary. (Which puts him among a lot of watermelon greens and Democrats, I might add.) Clarke's donations to political campaigns went to Democrats. I didn't see any donations to Bush there. So what exactly makes Clarke a 'republican?' What views has he put forth since his 'turn' that demonstrate his 'Republicanness' rather than say, an affinity for dried up old watermelon leftists?

Is nothing he says valid?

Which do you mean, the things he said first, or the things that he said which counterdict what he's said before?

[piasa]

In other words, Clark doesn't tell us about Condi, he tells us about his own twisted projections.

Feelings, nothing more than feelings. Feelings, nothing more than feelings, Trying to forget my feelings ...

[Thoro]

o.k. I see I am not going to get anywhere by debating this whole deal with clarke.

Because the whole deal with Clarke is his lack of consistency. Us FReepers are sticklers for consistency. We also tend to dismiss bureaucrats who comment on fields outside their expertise. So when Paul O'Neil, a treasury secretary, comments about Iraq; it tends to be ignored.

The only legitimate complaint that I have heard from the left about Bush is his overspending, which I happen to agree with. However, the left's only using this as a platform to attack Bush since their alternatives to the same policies are normally to spend more. To quote Thomas Sowell: "There are basically only two ways of reducing a deficit -- cut spending or collect more taxes. When you see liberals in politics and in the media going ballistic about the deficit, you know that they are not thinking about cutting spending."

[Judith Anne]

I guess you missed the founder's statement from the front page of Free Republic, so let me bring it to you here:

Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society.

I'm calling YOU a liberal troll. If I wanted to hear liberal propaganda about Clarke, I'd go to an alphabet network website. Clarke is a liar, selling a book, out to destroy the President. The left knows this better than we conservatives do--but persist in publicizing those lies. I have no patience whatsoever, no desire to hear any more of that bleep. If you want a different point of view, go elsewhere. I'm sure you know where to find it.

[Spotsy]

How do such unbalanced people get jobs in the government?

This is what I find so disturbing - Clarke is clearly unstable and suffers from wild delusions of grandeur. Not the kind of person I want to have the highest security clearance.

Clarke instantly discredited himself with his petty and personal attacks on Bush and Rice. He even went so far as to tell The Guardian that Bush "doesn't like to read" and more than hinted that Bush and Condi are dumb.

Billy Kristol summed it up beautifully on Hume's show - this Clarke affair is utterly disgraceful and ensures that the next new administration won't make the mistake of holding over NSC officials - which will result in a total lack of continuity in the national security team.

[Terpfen]

Tenet. Not Tenant. A tenant is a person who rents or leases living space.

[Qwinn]

There's plenty of reservations I have about Bush. Most of them are things lefties -should- love him for, and they -would- love him for if it was a leftie doing them, but since it's Bush doing them, they hate it. The education and prescription plan bills come to mind. They are a leftist's wet dream. If Clinton had done them, lefties would still be crooning his name as the messiah for raising entitlement spending so high. But Bush did it, which stole their thunder and there is NO greater sin than that, so he's their antichrist.

But fighting the war on terror? Nope, I don't have a single beef with him in any way shape and form. Not even on the WMD's. You know why? Because if there was a single person on this planet who doubted he had WMD's before we went in, they would've spoken up. We'd have heard from them.

But we didn't. Not even the most extreme communist tree hugging Che Guevara radical nutcase on the planet was willing to go out on a limb enough to claim that Saddam didn't have WMD. No one dared discredit themselves that badly - NO ONE dared trust Saddam Hussein enough. Is that because our Che Guevara radical had such abiding faith in what George W. Bush said in some State of the Union address? Obviously, that's patently ridiculous. Our Guevara radical friend trusted the U.N., and France, and China, and Russia, and every human rights agency, and every watchdog group, ad nauseaum, EVERYONE ON THE PLANET SINCE LONG BEFORE BUSH EVER GOT ELECTED BELIEVED HE HAD TONS OF WMD, AND CONTINUED TO STATE SO UNTIL WE TOOK HIM OUT.

Not one person, entity or organization claimed otherwise - no matter how screaming leftist. The fact that Saddam had WMD was the ONE issue that was -never- in dispute. And now, lefties want to claim that everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY on the planet was wrong... but only Bush knew that it was wrong.

Me, I think the WMD are in Syria. But it's irrelevant. To claim "Bush lied", but no one else did, is so intellectually dishonest that I get nauseated just listening to the claim. As outrageously badly as everyone wanted the war NOT to happen, with the millions spilling out on the street protesting, if anyone could have claimed Saddam didn't have WMD, you don't think they -would- have?

And we're supposed to believe that that level of trust was all in GWB? He was the only source for that claim, and everyone from Castro to Chirac took him as Gospel? Riiiiiiiiight.

And since every single leftie complaint stems from the whole "Bush is corrupt, Bush lied" meme, it makes it rather easy to dismiss virtually everything else they say.

Good enough for ya?

Qwinn

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[StriperSniper]

Your option off course.

My puts or my calls? What vector do you suggest? True or magnetic?

[SevenofNine]

OH WOW I miss Greta tonight

HEY Ronnie I saw first half of Hannity and Colmes leave to Law and Order DA Arthur Branch err I mean Fred Thompson run smack chat on Clarke he mention that producers are going write script next season dealing with Clarke mess

[SevenofNine]

IS ME OR Clarke remind you of Pillbury Doughboy

COME ON Folks think about it

[Spotsy]

Clark talking to Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes about the voice going through his head on 9/11 - Marlon Brando from Apocalypse Now - "The Horror, the Horror."

I can't get Clarke's voice out of my head, "The horror, the Horror."

[SevenofNine]

YOU ARE BAD LOLOLOL!

THE HORRID THE HORRID

OMG that so wrong but very funny rack itt LOL!

[E Rocc]

Perfect! All he needs is the purple and black Baltimore Ratbird colors. (:o

-Eric