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To: Hon
You've probably seen me make the opposite point several times, Sabertooth. On a thread just the other night I posted the US Code that would apply and I argued that it is probably unlikely that this event satisfied the critia for any kind of indictment since there is no record of any attempt to bring about the action.

My operating theory is that the double move in Kansas City succeeded in preventing the FBI from learning of the Phoenix Project. Too many participants have said the discussion was serious to dismiss their accounts.

Also, keep in mind that 1972, when the file on Kerry was apparently closed, was an election year. On top of that we have the death of J. Edgar Hoover and the Watergate break-in. Wouldn't be surprising if some things fell through the cracks around that time.

BTW, as you know, the fact that Kerry's FBI file appeared to clear both him and the VVAW of violent intent is actually damning, rather than exculpatory. Since we know the Phoenix Project meeting took place, and since we know Kerry was there, that clean spot in the file means that he never reported the plot to authorities.

In fact, you have been pursuing the line that there might have been some subsequent action that was perhaps fallout from this.

Yep. One of the named targets, John Stennis, was shot in January of 1973, three days after the cease fire between the U.S. and North Vietnam went into effect.

Since I don't recall the perps being captured, and can't verify it yet on the 'net, one has to wonder.


36 posted on 03/24/2004 9:17:06 PM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
I don't know how much longer I will be posting here if the moderators are going to allow the trolls to post outright libels about me with impugnity.

But just to respond to your poinst--remember we only have Kerry spokesflak David Wade's word about the FBI's file being closed on Kerry and saying what it did. At least I don't know anybody else who has seen the FBI files and who has put it the way he did.

AFAIK, Kerry was never much of a target for the FBI. It was always more a matter of going after the VVAW--which the FBI had been doing since 1967--under Johnson.

The FBI really had their hands full at the time. Again, AFAIK, they never tried to infiltrate the group until after the KC meeting. And maybe Camil's proposal was part of the reason why they did infiltrate it.

As you know, the FBI was able to stop Camil from violently disrupting the GOP convention, as he had planned to do. And maybe they stopped some other things that we don't know about. But Wade's remarks were far to generous insofar as he tried to absolve the VVAW.
37 posted on 03/24/2004 9:21:56 PM PST by Hon
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To: Sabertooth; Hon
In fact, you have been pursuing the line that there might have been some subsequent action that was perhaps fallout from this.

------Yep. One of the named targets, John Stennis, was shot in January of 1973, three days after the cease fire between the U.S. and North Vietnam went into effect.

Since I don't recall the perps being captured, and can't verify it yet on the 'net, one has to wonder.--------------

I'm wondering enough to create my own sig, lame as they may be!


40 posted on 03/24/2004 9:28:17 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Sabertooth
Yep. One of the named targets, John Stennis, was shot in January of 1973, three days after the cease fire between the U.S. and North Vietnam went into effect.

Holy cow.

There is so much I've forgotten from those years. This shooting didn't even register with me.

And Tower and the first (real) Mr. Heinz died only one day apart, albeit years after all this.

I certainly would like know who the other Senators were who were targeted in this plot. So far we have: Helms, Stennis, Tower, and Thurmond, if I'm remembering correctly.

50 posted on 03/24/2004 10:57:48 PM PST by texasbluebell
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