Kerry Attended Meeting.. But Voted "No" on Killing Senators

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[Graymatter]

Actually, I still have trouble believing he showed up for a vote.

[Bonaparte]

Although Kerry took part in the vote, the implication of that participation being that he would abide by an affirmative outcome even though he himself voted against the assassination, it would be a stretch to go after him for conspiracy. Yes, both the discussion and vote could be construed as part of the process of furthering the conspiratorial end but I don't think such a claim against Kerry could have succeeded in court.

That said, Kerry had knowledge of the assassinations that others in his group were advocating and failed to report it to the FBI or other law enforcement agency, which (IMHO) would make him guilty of misprision of felony. Considering that the conspiracy he failed to report took place while we were at war and was intended to give aid and comfort to the enemy (with whom members of his group had consulted before hatching the conspiracy), he would also (IMHO) be guilty of misprision of treason.

misprision

[mis-'pri-zhen]

Anglo-French, error, wrongdoing, from Old French, from mesprendre to make a mistake, from mes- wrongly + prendre to take, from Latin prehendere to seize

1: neglectful or wrongful performance of an official duty

2: a clerical error in a legal proceeding that can be corrected in a summary proceeding

3: the concealment of a treason or felony and failure to report it to the prosecuting authorities by a person who has not committed it
Example: misprision of felony
Example: misprision of treason

[XJarhead]

I still think it hurts more than it helps. You win elections by convincing the swing voters, and those folks simply are not going to buy into blaming Kerry because a group he was affiliated with contemplated killing senators, and he argued against it. What it does is discredit the other, more plausible grounds we have on which to attack him.

Heck, he could turn the whole thing around and claim that he stayed involved precisely to stop such irresponsible behavior. And then he'll say "it didn't happen, did it", which would only "confirm" the wisdom of him acting as a "moderating influence".

Try bouncing this off a swing voter, not a Freeper, and see how far it gets. That was part of the problem with Clinton. Some of the attacks were so over the top that they prevented the good ones from sticking. It became "that's just those nasty Republicans again".

I think his testimony before Congress in 1971 is a great avenue because it shoes that he gave sworn testimony without having any personal knowledge of the underlying facts. He misled Congress and the American people. And gee, where have we heard that charge before?

[thoughtomator]

Given the extent of Kerry's known activities, and his proven-false denials of having been at the meeting, I see no reason to take his word for it that he voted "no" on such a proposal.

Of course, I *do* still think Vince Foster and Ron Brown and Jim MacDougal were all murdered. So salt my humble opinion to taste before ingesting.

[PJ-Comix]

If he'd had any core values, he would have walked out the minute the subject was broached...

....and then INFORMED authorities about the assasination plot. Anyway, Kerry's NO vote gives lie that he wasn't at that meeting. Also gives lie to his claim of not remembering that meeting. Let's see, you vote NO on assasinating important officials and you expect us to believe you can't remember being there?

[afraidfortherepublic]

If this is true, he had a moral and legal obligation to report what happened.

Why? He didn't report atrocities he witnessed, or participated in, in Viet Nam, according to his own testimony before the Senate. Why should he feel obligated to report threatened assassinations of sitting Senators? < /sarcasm off >

[XJarhead]

Maybe they were. But without any indictments or evidence that will lead to one, people are just going to think its a partisan smear.

[afraidfortherepublic]

This alone to "Hanoi John" is damning, and should disqualify him from holding any kind of office.

Shhhhhhh! We don't want him to implode before the nomination, or we'll get Shrillary!

[thoughtomator]

If the meme is out there that Kerry might have voted to assassinate Senators, or even that he was involved with people who would, believe you me that's going to resonate with swing voters.

Anyone who, like you or me, is going to make a rational analysis of the issues that are important to them before casting their vote, is going to vote Bush here anyway.

There's a large mass of people who absorb every meme that's in the public consciousness, excrete the parts that are subliminally indigestable, and decide to vote based on what's left over. And there are plenty of people who purport to make rational decisions, but also are influenced to some degree by the political meme-stream.

That's why the Democrats have resorted to this constant stream of lies, to insert the Bush=liar and appeasement=safety memes, among others, into the political stream, and why, on any and all of their issues, substance and truth are not important. Just getting the idea repeated, Goebbels-style, is what is important to them.

[broadsword]

But didn't he vote yes BEFORE he voted no, then thought he had better vote maybe and began counting the votes of either side, but lost count when he ran out of fingers, and the vote was held when he bent down to take off his shoe for more digits and missed the vote so he wasn't really effectively there and he served as the bravest of the brave when he was in Viet Nam and how dare you look at his record and how dare you look at Bush's record and if you don't vote for Johnhammed al Qerry then you are part of the eeeeeeevil right wing conspiracy against the Constitution?

Yeah. OK. I think I got that right.

[mass55th]

"I have already heard how top dems will find a way to deny him the nomination at the convention."

Would you like to share that info with us.

[madison10]

I thought he said he wasn't there??

He wasn't...until a witness says that he was. DUH! He's not even good at lying.

[afraidfortherepublic]

And then he'll say "it didn't happen, did it", which would only "confirm" the wisdom of him acting as a "moderating influence".

Let's see, they "character assassinated" Senator John Tower in a confirmation hearing -- the only person ever nominated at Secretary of Defense who was not confirmed in the history of the Senate. Then he was killed in a plane crash not very long after. I suppose those are just isolated incidents, but it's sort of spooky, I think. I've forgotten the time-line and how much space there was between the "plot" and Tower's death.

[Bonaparte]

Heck, he could turn the whole thing around and claim that he stayed involved precisely to stop such irresponsible behavior.

It's too late for that. He already claimed that he wasn't even there at the Kansas City meeting, that he withdrew from VVAW. His spokesman has now had to admit that he was there, but if he was so intent on "staying involved" to "stop" the conspiracy, how is it that he would forgot something like that? Such a claim by Kerry would not be believable.

And then he'll say "it didn't happen, did it", which would only "confirm" the wisdom of him acting as a "moderating influence".

As has been pointed out on this thread and elsewhere, one of the intended victims of the conspiracy, Senator Stennis, was in fact shot. By whom is not known, but it would militate against any claim by Kerry that he somehow succeeded in being that "moderating influence." Quite a coincidence, that Stennis got shot not too long after the KC meeting, wouldn't you say?

[Darlin']

We already knew he voted no... That is, to say, we suspected "No" was one of the positions he took. We just don't know if "No" was his final position.

[hershey]

Well, isn't that special.

[hershey]

Come on, guys, people like Kerry don't have to obey the same laws we do. I started to write stuff about Teddy Kennedy and his lovely nephews, but gave up in disgust. Okay, here it is: Teddy's never paid an income tax in his life, that and vehicular homicide should keep him cooling his heels in Purgatory (at the very least), for a good many years when he finally breathes his last. By the way, he's running for the senate again in '06. God help MA.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Ouch! Possible though....

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

And president Bush denied the best body armor for our US senators, er, which way did I vote on that one? I want my purple heart for that skiing incident.

[Enduring Freedom]

ouch!