Illegal Immigrant Driver License Bill (SB1160)

John & Ken Show ^ | March 23, 2004 | John & Ken

[DumpsterDiver]

Posted by The John and Ken Show @ 5:06 pm

We have contacted all the Republicans in the State Senate and the State Assembly asking one question - How will you be voting on Senator Gil Cedillo's Illegal Alien Driver License Bill (SB1160)?

After hours of phone calls and playing phone tag, we have compiled a list of Legislatures [sic] that have answered our question.

If you DO NOT see your Senator or Assembly member, then they have replied with a big fat NO to SB1160.

For those who have not replied to any phone messages or seem to be on the fence about the issue, we have kindly made available their contact information. We urge you to call them and let them know that SB1160 is wrong for California.

No Reply To Phone Messages

1. Steve Samuelian ® District 29, Fresno
Capital Office: 916-319-2029
District Office: 559-243-4192
Website

Seem To Be "On The Fence"

1. Bill Maze ® District 34, Visalia
Capital Office: 916-319-2034
District Office: 559-636-3440
Website

2. Dave Cogdill ® District 25, Modesto
Capital Office: 916-319-2025
District Office: 209-576-6425
Website

3. Abel Maldondo ® District 33, San Luis Obispo
Capital Office: 916-319-2033
District Office: 805-549-3381
Website

4. Bonnie Garcia ® District 80, Cathedral City
Capital Office: 916-319-2080
District Office: 760-321-8410
Website

[calcowgirl]

I didn't see anywhere Arnold coming out in support of it.

Might I direct you to my post #12 to you (above) and that you actually read it? I believe you will find that both Arnold, and his official spokesman, acknowledge that Schwarzenegger's staff are working with Cedillo to come up with a satisfactory bill.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I'd better call soon!

[backtothestreets]

More FYI, and how to apply it.

I attended the traffic court in Fresno last month as a spectator. There were approximately two dozen people there for driving without a license. Of these, two-thirds were Spanish speaking only, and I suspect here illegally.

Here's what I found most interesting and disturbing. All of them, whatever their language, were driving cars they had borrowed. To my SHOCK, not a single owner of these vehicles was present. Vehicle owners are not cited. They are simply required to pay impound fees. This situation is not unique to Fresno County. It is occurring throughout the State of California.

I've presented my concerns to the councilman serving my area, and the police. Such vehicles are being impounded, but I want these owners cited right along with the illegal drivers. They should be cited and made to appear before the court just like these drivers.

The fines the illegal drivers received was $540. I'd like to see fines of $2000 or more handed to the vehicle owners for PUBLIC ENDANGERMENT, and make it mandatory they attend traffic schools. This in addition to all impound fees they have to pay. That, or allow the local community to auction the vehicles and place proceeds into the general fund of that community.

It would help if everyone contacts their local elected officials and police agencies to have more emphasis placed on the vehicle owners. Turn the screws on the vehicle owners and most of these illegal drivers will have nothing to drive.

[goldstategop]

The Democrats want to tell 70% of Californians to go take a hike. We need to start fighting back and making it clear to Republicans we are opposed to drivers' licenses for illegal aliens on PRINCIPLE. As it stands the Democrats can enact a bill that takes effect next year but to defeat an inevitable referendum, they would like to have it passed as urgency bill that takes effect immediately. We can deny them that underhanded manuever if the GOP caucus in each house of the State Legislature to a man and a woman votes NO. And we must keep putting the heat on Arnold to veto any bill that passes the State Legislature that confers a driving privilege upon illegal aliens.

[heleny]

The fines the illegal drivers received was $540. I'd like to see fines of $2000 or more handed to the vehicle owners for PUBLIC ENDANGERMENT, and make it mandatory they attend traffic schools. This in addition to all impound fees they have to pay. That, or allow the local community to auction the vehicles and place proceeds into the general fund of that community.

Good idea to make the owners more responsible. But, often, the cars aren't worth $2000. Maybe something should go on the owners' DMV record so that their insurance rates will increase (after all, they are increasing liability to their insurance company without their knowledge).

[truthkeeper]

I listened to John and Ken yesterday too; proof positive that the squeaky wheel definitely gets the grease. Great work J&K! Thanks for posting this one.

[backtothestreets]

"Good idea to make the owners more responsible. But, often, the cars aren't worth $2000."

Hmmmmm... Could be an opportunity to take out both an illegal driver, and an irresponsible vehicle owner. That sounds good. Let's make it $3000!

[DumpsterDiver]

Vehicle owners are not cited. They are simply required to pay impound fees. This situation is not unique to Fresno County. It is occurring throughout the State of California.

I didn't realize that. I'm going to have to go visit traffic court here in L.A. and check this out.

[Carry_Okie]

Arnold is NOT supporting this bill.

Oh goody! Another classic work of FairOpinion's spin, twisted interpretations in defense of a governor who said that only prison guards and tribes were special interests, inferring that Wall Street banks and real estate honchos didn't apply.

Thus, by the logic of Schwarzenegger (and you FO), "There's no deal," means, 'There's no deal, YET,' and "Arnold is NOT supporting this bill," more than clearly imputes that he wants changes in the current bill.

Here's your problem: Given Arnold has publicly said (and his spokesman has confirmed) that he and Cedillo are working on drivers' licenses for illegals, and that he has said through private channels, "There's no deal," he is either lying to us or to Cedillo et al. It can't be both

Arnold was elected on the premise that he was going to cancel SB-60. He did. What the idiot public who voted for him believed is that he would represent their interests in preventing the issuance of drivers' licenses for illegal aliens. Clearly, by Arnold's own admission, that impression was false. So, either Arnold allowed the public to operate upon a false impression of his intentions, or he lied outright. Feeding people information from which one knows they will draw a false conclusion and allowing them to continue to believe that false impression without correcting it is a dishonest act. Either way, Arnold shows up as a clever manipulator, exactly what I told you he was a month before the recall.

Truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth, FO, else it is a lie. Thus, when you offer, "There's no deal," in response to the charge that Arnold is WORKING on drivers licenses for illegals, your response is deliberate misdirection. Arnold is a liar, and so are you.

[backtothestreets]

"I didn't realize that. I'm going to have to go visit traffic court here in L.A. and check this out."

Please do, and let your observations be known.  There have been laws to cite these owners for decades, but they are not enforced.

[calcowgirl]

Oh goody! Another classic work of FairOpinion's spin....

ROFL!
I don't know why I keep expecting more, but I do.
Chalk it up to "entertainment value".

[Carry_Okie]

I don't know why I keep expecting more, but I do.

How else would she earn her paycheck?

[calcowgirl]

Just a variation of the oldest profession, I suppose.