Reporter Tom Lipscomb Slated For Scarborough Country Tonight - VVAW Assassination Story Alert

MSNBC | March 22, 2004

[Hon]

Intrepid reporter, Thomas H. Lipscomb, is scheduled to appear on MSNBC's Scarborough Country this evening.

Check local listings for the time in your area. I believe it aired at 9pm in the east.

Kerry's whereabouts during the Vietnam Veterans Against The War's Novemeber 1971 Kansas City meeting should be the topic of conversation.

(This is the meeting where the proposal to kill pro-war Congressional leaders was discussed and voted upon by the VVAW.)

[kristinn]

O' Donnell's a Rat hack of the worst sort. Think Lanny Davis without the 'charm.'

[Hon]

"When Camil returned to Florida from Kansas City, despite his failure to get anv of his programs adopted, he took with him a goodly measure of respect from many coordinators and much of the membership." --Gerald Nicosia

O'Donnell needs to try shutting his mouth and maybe studying up on the subject. Camil was a major force in the VVAW before his assassination proposal--and even more of a force after it.

[kristinn]

He's warning the rest of the media off this story with this routine. That was his job tonight, IMO.

[jwalsh07]

Did you catch any of the hearings today?

I heard a bit and the bit I heard had Bob Kerrey rising to the top. Thank the Lord the wrong Kerry is running against President Bush.

Clarke is skewered, he is caught in more lies than Clinton and Gore combined. He's finished. Not even the New York Times will be able to rehabilitate this clown.

Positively scary that men like this are charged with protecting my grandchildren. I think I'll buy more guns.

[Torie]

Unfortunately no. I had to work. But I might catch some on CSPAN if the wacko congreesmen stop droning on in some late night session. Delahunt (a congressman near you that represents the most GOP district in Massachussets, LOL) was ranting about something. I did not wait to find out what before switching the channel.

[Hon]

"He's warning the rest of the media off this story with this routine. That was his job tonight, IMO."

You're probably right. At the very least it was a try-out for the "let's just laugh it off defense."

Can you imagine if a Republican Presidential candidate had been present at such a meeting and then his flaks tried to laugh it off?

What was Trent Lott's crime against humanity again?

[jwalsh07]

Good move.

I'm feeling better about the elcetion, Dubyas machine is cranking on all cylinders. Clarke has gone from bombshell to dud in the blink of an eye.

Check out Bob Kerrey questioning Madeline Albright if you can. A thing of beauty. Kerrey was tough on everybody but he was tough with a goal in mind.

Can't help liking the guy.

[tirednvirginia]

Does anyone know where LO'D got his info that it was just one nut in the group who proposed the assassinations? He sounded like he had been there. I never heard him say how he was so sure of this.

It did sound as if he was putting out the talking points for the media so they will not jump on it.

[Hon]

"Clarke is skewered, he is caught in more lies than Clinton and Gore combined. He's finished. Not even the New York Times will be able to rehabilitate this clown."

The trouble is Clarke's lies (for money) got imprinted on the majority of the audience. It's a fact now. It doesn't matter if it is untrue.

As one of the variations on the saying goes: a lie gets half way around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants.

The Dems feast off of that phenomenon.

[Pharmboy]

Welcome, Hon. It is fine to post this in extended news.

[Hon]

"Does anyone know where LO'D got his info that it was just one nut in the group who proposed the assassinations? He sounded like he had been there. I never heard him say how he was so sure of this."

I'm sure it was from a quick phone call to Kerry's staff when he found out what the subject of tonight's show was going to be.

Before that call, O'Donnell probably didn't even know that Kerry was involved in anti-Vietnam war activities.

O'Donnell is just a Monica Lewinsky, without Lewinsky's quiet dignity.

[kristinn]

I posed a question to Howard Kurtz in an online Washington Post chat Monday about the establishment press ignoring this story. The Post or Kurtz declined to accept the question for the discussion.

[gswilder]

Yea, Kerry was trying to look impartial. However, when the final report comes out, Bush will get 80% of the blame and 99% of the media coverage. Mark my word. I know we are all sitting here saying Clark is crashing and burning. And he is. But for 75% of the public, I am afraid they are buying a good bit about this. I think Bush's poll numbers will drop by next week.

[altura]

Lipscomb was very convincing. Buchanan also.

The West Wing boy Larry tried valiantly to laugh everything off and make it seem overblown and ridiculous, but it wasn't flying.

A couple of very damaging points. Kerry denies it.

One witness comes forward originally to say he remembered Kerry being there. An attempt is made to intimidate that witness (He receives a call from a Kerry guy suggesting that he rethink his memory).

Then when 6 or 7 witnesses come forth, it's oh, yeah, maybe I was there.

Very Clintonesque.

And WHY does Kerry have the guy who planned the assassination of the Senators on his payroll??

That, I just don't understand.

[altura]

Plus now the dems in congress are furious that Bush dares to defend himself. (on the Clarke matter)

No, I am not kidding.

[Hon]

"One witness comes forward originally to say he remembered Kerry being there. An attempt is made to intimidate that witness (He receives a call from a Kerry guy suggesting that he rethink his memory)."

Musgrave wasn't the only witness who Hurley pressured. He also leaned on Randy Barnes. After a couple of phone calls, suddenly Randy Barnes couldn't remember whether Kerry was there or not any more. But even since then he has said that he was there.

You're right, it is very Clinton-esque. Too bad they didn't get these wintesses to sign sworn affidavits (like they did with Lewinsky) to then be embarrassed when the FBI files prove them all to be liars.

Maybe they'll be able to laugh it off, too, like with Monica. It's just about sex. It's just about killing Senators.

[ironman]

I saw the entire segment. There is no indication that O'Donnell has done one bit of orginal reporting on the matter yet he is so sure there was no plot, vs. Lipscomb's who really dug into the details. This story has leggs.

[jwalsh07]

I don't agree. The only people who haven't decided yet are the suburban fence sitters, for the most part a highly educated group who are capable of nuanced thought.

We'll see.

[kabar]

The emphasis should be placed on the radicalism of the VVAW rather than trying to nail down Kerry's knowledge of or participation in an assassination plot. Kerry belonged to this organization for about 2 years. He has a lot to answer for in terms of what the VVAW said and did during this period--not to mention the malcontents and misfits who were members.

[Hon]

"The emphasis should be placed on the radicalism of the VVAW rather than trying to nail down Kerry's knowledge of or participation in an assassination plot."

Why not both?

"Kerry belonged to this organization for about 2 years."

Probably longer than that. He certainly let the media think he was still the head of the VVAW up until at least January 1973.

"He has a lot to answer for in terms of what the VVAW said and did during this period"

Such as negotiating with the enemy during a war. (Kerry and other VVAW members met and negotiated with the VC and NVN in Paris in 1971.)

Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

"not to mention the malcontents and misfits who were members."

You mean his "band of brothers"? LOL

One Of John Kerry's "Band Of Brothers"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092936/posts