Posted on 03/23/2004 10:20:46 AM PST by NormsRevenge
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:46:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The stuff that doesn't last 3 years is not that hard to replace .. the stuff that last longer is.
Yup. We're for some odd reason afflicted with seminar posters who are intent on spouting a line that has no basis in fact, using a variety of logical fallacies, such as explaining the complextity of modern American nuclear munitions, and using that as a "proof" of the impossibility of any crude "go boom" devices.
It's like taking down a modern M16 and explaining all the metallurgy, machining, engineering, and hand-tooling and fitting that goes into its manufacture, and using that as "proof" that we have no reason to fear that a bunch of people with rags on their heads could ever come up with something as daunting as "the rifle."
Of course, we've all seen the news footage of the barefoot armorers of Afghanistan, sitting in their dirt-floored stalls, making fully operational machineguns out of scrap auto parts over a charcoal forge maintained by a kid with a bellows.
Here's my reply from the other thread, to one poster's repeatedly spammed "see post 95" non-replies. (Amazingly, they refuse to address any of these facts, preferring to spam the same appeal to authority (their own!) over and over again):
And lots of solid information, such as Are Suitcase Bombs Possible? and Fission Weapon Designs serve well to debunk reams of feel-good whistlling-past-the-graveyard happytalk.
All is not well, and recognition of this reality is not restricted to "chicken little"/"the sky is falling!" types.
You seem deeply vested in the idea that it is impossible for crude nuclear weapons to be constructed and sucessfully deployed.
I don't know why. I do find it disconcerting, however, and I hope that people don't accept your say-so as gospel. There is plenty of solid information available that puts the lie to the "don't worry, be happy" comfortspeak.
For those who still persist in the belief that it's only the uninformed and ignorant who would even consider the possiblity of nuclear-armed terrorists, I leave you with this excerpt from Christopher Hitchens' too-quickly forgotten article, "The night of the weak knees":
The night of the weak knees
Christopher Hitchens
Wednesday December 5, 2001
The Guardian
Four weekends ago, I really did receive two Friday-night telephone calls from well-positioned Washingtonians. "Leave now," they told me. "There's a tactical nuke on the loose, and it's headed for DC." One of these callers was in a position to know, and the other was in a position where he was actually paid to know. Calls were being placed to an immediate circle of friends to which, in theory, I was flattered to belong. Those who were calling were also leaving - while not informing the rest of the citizens. Why, then, did I resolve to stay? It wasn't just British pluck, strong as that naturally is. I thought, first, that it was unlikely that al-Qaida, if it had the bomb, would have conducted a petty dress rehearsal with United Airlines. I thought, second, that the detonation of a "use it or lose it" freelance nuke could not be predicted for any given weekend. And I thought, third, that I would feel a colossal cretin if I fled and then came slithering back on Monday morning (especially if the nuclear holocaust was timed for Monday's rush hour after all). In the end, I did take the family on a pre-arranged trip to Gettysburg, leaving late and returning early.Officially, nobody now remembers this night of the weak knees. It rated a brief and embarrassed mention in Hugh Sidey's Time column, and that was it. But I shall not forget how some of those in supposed authority decided that the end had come, and made it a point to keep it to themselves and their immediate friends, perhaps to stop the crowding of the roads. That's how it will be on the day of Armageddon, and that's why the citizen should always plan to outlive the state, rather than the other way round.
Name: Little Boy Type: Uranium gun-type fission Weight: 9,700lb (4400 kg) Length: 10 ft, 6 in (3.2m) Diameter: 29 in (0.737m) Explosive Yield: 15,000 tons of TNT |
South Africa, in concert with Israel, likewise managed to build one of these gun-type fission bombs. It weighed 2,200 pounds (1,000 kg).
Photo By Charles Werner The Honorable Congressman Curt Weldon |
Congressman Weldon alarmingly explained that the Russians developed 132 of these "suitcase nukes" and can only account for 48. The Russians reported that they could have been destroyed or they could have been sold during the breakup of the old U.S.S.R. Weldon also said in a very straightforward way, "I will tell you this as I did on prime time live several weeks ago, based on what I know and what I see, I think there's a 50/50 chance that Bin Lad can produce a dirty nuke." Congressman Weldon asked, "What happened to all of those 1000s of metric tons of Russian chemical weapons? The answer, 'we just don't know.'"
Congressman Weldon then listing the things that need to be addressed to deal with this new domestic threat. "We must develop an adequate domestic communication system. This country needs to understand, to respond to any type of disaster, we've got to have an integrative communication system and we can't rely on you [fire service] to raise the funds to buy that equipment." Weldon specifically noted, "If we don't preserve 24 mhz of public safety frequency spectrum, then you won't be able to have an integrated system where you can in fact talk to all those agencies that you're going to deal with."
Photo By Charles Werner Photograph of 'Suitcase Nuke' |
Curt Weldon also expressed his sincere sadness with the loss of a great personal friend, Ray Downey, FDNY Special Rescue Operations Chief. Weldon said that Downey's vision catapulted the USAR movement forward and made it what it is today. Weldon said now we're going to call them "Downey Teams" rather than FEMA Teams. Weldon also said that they are working on naming a building at the National Fire Academy in honor of Ray Downey.
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