Arnold and Cedillo Driver's License for Illegals?

www.ktkz.com ^ | March 21, 2004 | Eric Hogue

[Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ]

All of the focus on Gil Cedillo and Arnold Schwarzenegger needs some intelligence.There are not '12 Republicans' ready to vote for a deal.

[Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ]

All of the focus on Gil Cedillo and Arnold Schwarzenegger needs some intelligence.

There are not '12 Republicans' ready to vote for a deal.

There is no legislation to vote up or down, we are talking about talk.

I'm told any deal would have to satisfy background checks - severe - and insurance requirements, both of which are beyond compromise right now!

When the Dems sided with Arnold to repeal SB60, they did so because of fear of the initiative process. Would they now pass something that would be taken down by a similar referendum...and offer them more defeat..get real!

There are reasons for the Dems to use this strategy:

(1) The Democrats have no campaign issues for the November ballot. They can ride this isue for the Latino vote.

(2)The Dems can erode Arnold's popularity by calling him a liar after talks breakdown. Cedillo can say, "We had a deal and Arnold lied, he was pushed by the conservative Republicans." This would damage Arnold and Bush's standing in the state.

(3) The Dems want to create a 'wedge issue' for the November ballot. An issue like this can draw more Democrats to the polls since John Kerry has no polling power...just like the visit by Howard Dean...they need some passion to GOTV.

(4)This is probably the most important concept...make it seem that Arnold and Bush are 'weak' on immigration and play the conservative vote into an appathetic voting bloc. This would create some low voter turnout for the GOP, something the Dems need to fight thier own!

[ElkGroveDan]

Gil says otherwise, Eric.

Could it be your man Arnold is about to go South on you and all the other folks who supported him?

At least the true conservative base can sleep well at night.

[Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ]

"Gil Says otherwise"...let me get this straight, you are taking Gil's word over the Governor's right now? I ask you...where is the legislation? Is it in the Assembly? Is it in the State Senate? WHAT are we debating, discussing, compromising with/on...what is 'it'?

Careful, you may be helping the Dems with their public strategy!

[Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ]

On sleeping well...I'm assuming your referencing a McClintock vote. Well, more votes for Tom would have meant a Bustamante Governorship...and we would have SB60! (Plus higher taxes!) Where is your loyalty and support?

[CurlyDave]

If we had tough security and insurance requirements, I am pragmatic enough to see that it would be better to have licensed illegals driving than unlicensed ones. (Remember having no illegals is a federal government task and they have let all of the states know that they are no going to fulfill their responsibility.)

The remaining issue is that we have to keep them from using the license to vote. If they are issued a special license they just won't get one because it will immediately identify them as illegal and we are right back to no insurance and no security.

I suspect the only way to deal with this is:

1. Draconian voter fraud laws which are enforced (fat chance), and

2. Require more than one ID for voter registration and eliminate "moter voter". Again no chance at all with RATs in control.

Anyone have a better idea? It may be time to support the "no illegal licenses" referendum.

[Parley Baer]

This is the side of Arnold that I don't care for. Hopefully it will never happen. Parley

[Eric Hogue 1380 KTKZ]

All great ideas...from what I'm being told (from the Gov's office) they are discussing numerous 'hurdles' that will take many concerns out of the playing field - voting being one of them!

Remember, AS has a problem...Bush has already supported a "Guest Worker" program and we have 14 other states with these license for illegals. Can you say 'court room' on this initiative, just like Prop 187?

There is more to the dance than AS turning into a trader, we need to be smarter than the average conservative voter. This is a sexy issue, but it can hurt us in the long haul if we are not careful with how we handle our discussions, the governor and the campaign season!

[dalereed]

Driver's Licenses Round Two?

Following is a transcript of a radio interview given by Sen. Gil Cedillo, author of SB 60 and the new SB 1160, the bill giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Please read through the interview carefully so you can see exactly what we are up against. We must put pressure on the legislature now to block SB 1160 before they have the votes to pass it.

Los Angeles RadioVisa Spanish radio interview
Sen. Cedillo's comments on SB 1160
Week of 3-8-04

Radio host: Respect the Sombrero, the huaraches (leather sandals). But, they don't want to respect us, senator, they don't want to give us licenses. How is this bill coming along, the driver's license bill?

Sen. Cedillo: As far as the governor is concerned, everything is all right. We are working hard together. We have an agreement with the governor. There are three important points [that make up this] agreement. One, the governor and I want to give a driver's license to all the immigrants that live in California [and] work here, undocumented people, those who are in the process of legalizing their status. Everyone.

Radio host: Everyone?

Sen. Cedillo: Undocumented people, those who are in the process [of legalizing their status]-everyone. That is the first point. Second, we want to give the same license that everyone has.

Radio host: So, no marks? It won't be marked?

Sen. Cedillo: That's right. It won't have a different color, no different numbers or letters...

Radio host: So, the governor's office is in agreement with not marking the licenses?

Sen. Cedillo: Yes, because he says, "Gil, I am an immigrant."

Radio host: Oh, that's great. He should not forget that.

Sen. Cedillo: And the third point is we want to give it as quickly as possible. Why? Because outside of the Capitol, there are politicians, radio hosts on the AM dial...

Radio host: John and Ken.

Sen. Cedillo: Yes, exactly. Juan y Ken, Juanito y Ken, who attack our community daily.

Radio host: They say they are ready to pressure Arnold Schwarzenegger so he won't approve your plans and thereby spoil both of your [efforts] to give licenses. Do you think they will be able to do that, senator?

Sen. Cedillo: There are more than 70% of voters who today don't want to give any rights, privileges, or responsibilities...

Radio host: How are we going to convince them? How are we going to convince the voters that they need to do it?

Sen. Cedillo: I think that, I believe that with this new proposal, [which includes] verification, insurance, Schwarzenegger's strong support [and], possibly, the White House's support, we will be able to present a new law that will be acceptable for all Californians.

Radio host: And like you say, we have to hurry, otherwise John and Ken and other people who are against the licenses will win. When will you be able to present the bill [and get approval] on the California State Assembly floor?

Sen. Cedillo: It's difficult to say today because we are working on difficult points. Schwarzenegger and I, and our teams are looking into a new computer that will create a new database. We are also talking to the insurance [industry] to figure out what we can do to give insurance to all the new undocumented drivers. We are working on these points daily. We are looking at the system that the Mexican Consulate has in place, the verification system they [rely on] to furnish the Consular IDs.

Radio host: Senator, we are running out of time. Sen. Cedillo is working on a new bill, SB 1160, which will become law, so undocumented immigrants can finally get their license, but we have a bunch of enemies out there. They say, threaten that even though Gil Cedillo and Schwarzenegger are working separately to convince legislators in the California State Assembly to give drivers' licenses to undocumented people-here comes the opposition [and] they don't want us to have drivers licenses. They are against security on California roads and that's the plain truth. What do you say, senator, about all of this? And, please tell us more about the same machine that we need, which the Mexican Consulate is using to make the documents fool proof.

Sen. Cedillo: Exactly. It is possible that we will use the Mexican verification process and other countries from Central America, Europe, China will do the same.

Radio host: And when will all this be ready? You tell us that you can't give us a date today, but the ultra conservatives, John and Ken, and others are applying pressure-they don't want to make California roads safer by giving undocumented drives the ability to learn the rules and get insurance. How is this war [playing out]?

Sen. Cedillo: They are irresponsible.

Radio host: Yes, they are. It's John and Ken and there are other stations in San Diego and Sacramento that have their way of seeing things. They want to politically drown our community, but it is irresponsible.

Sen. Cedillo: And, good news. The politicians that are using this as a campaign issue did not win.

Radio host: Do you have a majority [of the votes] in the Assembly? Senator, do you and Arnold have a majority to win?

Sen. Cedillo: Schwarzenegger says that he has Republican votes, per our agreement, but it is difficult. We are working every day to get the votes we need in the Legislature. Schwarzenegger says he has about half a dozen and we have all the Democrats.

Radio host: Oh, that's great. Mr. Medina wants to ask you a question.

Mr. Medina: I just want to say one thing. I want to clarify something. Someone, who may face this problem, this is just in anticipation, someone who is asking for their driver's license and who has a criminal record in Mexico or China. What will happen then?

Sen. Cedillo: We will have an agreement between Mexico, California, Bill Lockyer, [and] the police. We will have a verification process. It is possible that we will use the same system that is used to issue the Consular IDs.

Radio host: Right. Exactly. People who had problems in Mexico will not be able to apply for it. So, why bother applying? Well, senator, we are right along side you in this fight.

Sen. Cedillo: Your support is very important. I am not concerned about the driver's license bill or my work with Schwarzenegger. My concern lies with the [voters'] reaction in November. Why? Because with a popular vote they can change any law I write.

Radio host: Right, of course.

Sen. Cedillo: So, the fight will be ongoing even when you and Schwarzenegger pass a law to give drivers licenses? These people will turn it into a popular referendum.

Radio host: Well, thank you, senator.

Sen. Cedillo: I will work for this all my life...until I die.

Radio host: Yes, we know. We are your cheerleaders.

Sen. Cedillo: I have an understanding with my wife and with my community.

Radio host: Thank you, senator, for working so hard.

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[FairOpinion]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!

This is the first intelligent, insightful and correct assessment of the situation I have heard on the radio or saw in print as an article. Each of your points is exactly true.

Your assessment is right on the money!

I am so glad to hear that there is at least someone out there, who correctly assesses the situation -- I hope you make sure many people hear it on your radio show.

Maybe you will be able to wake up the conservatives and Republicans who are swallowing the Dem Propaganda hook line and sinker.

[FairOpinion]

PING for an excellent, CORRECT assessment of this issue.


"This is probably the most important concept...make it seem that Arnold and Bush are 'weak' on immigration and play the conservative vote into an appathetic voting bloc. This would create some low voter turnout for the GOP, something the Dems need to fight thier own! "

[ElkGroveDan]

Give it a rest, that tired old mantra has been shown to be what it was -- hollow rhetoric.

More votes for McClintock would have meant Governor McClintock. I for one, will take that any day.

Arnold didn't undo SB 60. The Democrats would have laughed in his face absent the CRA referendum. Their fear of a referendum energizing the Republican base in an election year is what undid it.

[risk]

Yeah, we should be well past the discussion of the last recall. The big question for all of us should be why is our current governor not interested in pulling Tom McClintock's influence into his leadership? With the groundswell of conservative support that swept him into office, Arnold should be asking Tom how he would handle things -- and in public.

[FairOpinion]

SOOOOOOOOOOO????


You are quoting Cedillo.

Does that mean that you take everything Cedillo says as gospel truth?

[kellynla]

We worked our butts off getting the Dimwit Davis recalled and the Terminator boy rides in the parade with the same old BS bond issue and now he wants to give the illegals a driver's license. I won't say "I told you so." If Ahnold doesn't have the stones for the job he should pack up his Humvee and go back to LA. The illegals don't need driver's licenses to go back where they came from!! Aiding and abetting criminals is still a crime! But if he signs a bill giving a driver's license to illegal aliens Ahnold won't have to wait til November 2006 to find out if anybody will vote for him again. We recalled one dimwit we can certainly recall another one. CUT THE FRIGGIN' BUDGET AND LET'S GET ON WITH THE REST OF OUR LIVES FOR PETE'S SAKE!

[FairOpinion]

Why don't you try actually READING the original post?

[dalereed]

"Why don't you try actually READING the original post?"

Why don't you quit promoting your pet socialist RINO!

[FairOpinion]

I see, Arnold is a "socialist RINO", but Cedillo is "Moses coming down the mountain with God's words", the way some of you keep quoting Cedillo, as the bearer of God's truth.

[concentric circles]

State Senator McClintock says he knows of no Republican in either chamber who would vote for licenses for illegals. There's speculation that Cedillo is all talk on this because he wants to own this issue and can't afford to leave a void for someone else to fill.

It's all academic if the Save Our State Initiative accumulates enough signatures to qualify for a place on the November ballot.

Not only will it prohibit licensing illegals, it will require state employees to verify legal residency before qualifying individuals for taxpayer supported services. This is crucial at a time when the state is spending a billion dollars more per month than it is taking in.

Have you downloaded the Save Our State Petition? Sign it and return it to make your voice heard.

[calcowgirl]

Arnold seeks to revamp license bill
Washington Times ^ | 3/02/04 | Valerie Richardson

"Our staffs have met, and they're working on this together,"

said Vincent Salido, spokesman for the Republican governor.

The "intelligence" needed is to scrap this monstrous idea in its entirety.
Illegal is illegal, Arnold. Get it?

[philetus]

I am pragmatic enough to see that it would be better to have licensed illegals driving than unlicensed ones. (Remember having no illegals is a federal government task and they have let all of the states know that t"hey are no going to fulfill their responsibility.)"


Too many Californians think like you do.