Gas Prices Too High? Well, E85 ethanol blend is 40 cents cheaper

GF Herald ^ | Mar. 21, 2004 | Lisa Davis

[templar]

Here's how: We should have higher gas taxes and have an oil import fee.

This is the opposite of what the Free Traders advocate for everything else: No tariffs of any kind. Tariffs, they say, will only hurt us.

Anyone know if oil & refined petroleum is covered under GATT or other anti tarrif (anti "protectionist") treaty?

[Old Professer]

Fully saturated ethanol (20% water by volume) won't freeze at 80 below zero F.

It's the excess condensed water in your tank that will freeze in transport to the induction system.

[Blood of Tyrants]

My Plymouth van is already set up to run E85 except that there is no place to buy it.

[Nowhere Man]

Well, if you're driving less miles per gallon, you're filling up more often, which means you may be paying the same anyway! Depends on what the drop off is, of course.

Reminds me of when I ran Twilight: 2000 role playing games.

Twilight: 2000 is an RPG, now alternate history where World War III broke out, both the NATO and Warsaw Pact used nukes in 1997 and around the 2000/2004 era, the US/NATO and USSR/Warsaw Pact are still fighting, although mostly still using vehicles that are barely running on a wing and a prayer and using methanol/ethanol as fuel usually.

I remember in the game itself, vehicles use 3 liters of ethanol for every liter of diesel fuel/gasoline it used and 3.5 liters of methanol (usually the fuel of choice, ethanol takes away from food which starving, war-torn Europe and the world needed) for ever liter of diesel/gas. It was bad enough running a group of soldiers in a Hummer living off the land but it took a lot to keep an M1 tank going. B-)

I think some other poster might have pointed it out but the energy contained in each liter of enthanol/methanol is less than in diesel/gasoline so you use more.

I remember back in the 1970's, I understood that it was rather simple to convert cars to run on alcohol (methanol/ethanol) if you adjusted the carburettors, but most cars don't have them anymore.

Overall, I think it is a good idea but again the free market should be the determining factor which I'm sure at some point in the future, we might be using a blend of fossil fuel/alcohol or alcohol entirely. I know my 1977 Mercury Cougar would be easy to convert if the logic holds true but I wonder about my 1994 Ford Explorer.

A side note, when my father was in the Army, he was stationed at Camp Casey in South Korea in 1955/56 and he remembers in cold weather, they started the Army trucks on gasoline and then flipped a lever to feed the engine the diesel it ran on.

[WOSG]

Tariffs hurt us in many ways, especially if used to "protect" consumers from lower priced goods (= higher standard of living).

But this is about a strategy to replace an OPEC tax with a domestic tax. An analogy would be this - there is something dumber than tariffs and that is to have import 'quotas' that give the profits on the shortened supply product to the foreign importers instead of the US govt.
We should replace all quotas with tariffs, and we should use our 'tariff' power to break the OPEC cartel.

[WOSG]

"Yeah, corporations will let our government tax oil use away. I'll have what you're drinking."

Ethanol martini, shaken not stirred. :-)

[takenoprisoner]

The northstar engine in my car only likes premium gasoline...it was built to perform on premium gasoline. The manufacturer recommends only premium gasoline. This simple reminder is posted just beneath the gas gauge. Can a northstar engine perform up to par on ethanol?

[editor-surveyor]

"Bottled water is more expensive than gasoline. Tax That!"

Here in Kalifornica they do, through a bottle deposit.