School Debates Difference Between Gender and Sex (to include a person's "perceived sex")

FOXNews ^ | 3.20.04 | Anita Vogel

[fight_truth_decay]

That is what one Southern California school district is trying to decide and the outcome could cost it millions.

So far the Westminster School District (search) is the only district in California refusing to adopt an updated anti-discrimination policy that adds the word "sex" to guidelines that already include the word "gender."

[fight_truth_decay]

As one Westminster mother said, "With $40 million dollars at stake..I still can't say, 'this is my daughter'....just for $40 million dollars, I perceive her as a boy."

Board member Judy Ahrens believes it is a moral issue.

Vogel asks (audio), "Are male and female identities only a state of mind?"

[2banana]

What craziness. It is only taxpayer money and children's minds. I wonder how many students would actually go to schools with leadership like this if the parents actually had a choice in the matter?

[Reactionary]

Ah, the queering of our schools continues.

By "queering" I mean the destruction of fixed gender roles - something the homosexual Marxist radicals have long promoted.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

I was flipping through the channels and happened on spring-break activities on MTV. The ocean surf in the background really caught my eye, but now that I think about it, there didn't seem to be any confusion as to who was male and who was female.

Whatever your take on the subject, a quad-zillion years of evolution, or Adam and Eve, there is male and female of just about everything. I imagine some people in the area are in full disposition to flee. Fortunately, sounds like some people aren't confused about their anatomy.

[cyborg]

Heh... I was watching the same MTV special today. Despite what these social nutters want to believe us girls are heterosexual and like our perceived sex to be good, not wearing suspenders and peeing standing up. And not kissing females under the influence of adult beverages does not count either! (not that I'm excusing all that spring break degeneracy)

[Trillian]

Silly humans, a DNA test will prove male or female if they're that confused as to ignore their genitalia..

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP - America is not only being secularized, it is becoming homogeneous.

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1 : of the same or a similar kind or nature
2 : of uniform structure or composition throughout

[Lady Heron]

Daily they just keep making the case for homeschooling.

[Lokibob]

I think it should be expanded to include a persons actual or perceived species, also.

I perceive I am a dog, so I can sleep 18 hours a day and lick myself the remaining 6 hours.

[Benrand]

I dunno, but I was at the Post Office this morning and the teller, er, Postal Technician, was named Jeri...to be honest, it was hard to distinguish any sexual characteristics.

I think she is a female, but just barely.

[squidly]

"I do not think that by the board complying with the state law ... is somehow magically going to transform these young men into hysterical perverts....."

No transformation or magic required for boys that age. I know, I used to be one. No offense intended towards any of you with sons that age.

[Still Thinking]

Sort of a "Here's Pat" type experience?

[Still Thinking]

Truly amazon what great reverence for the law liberals discover when the law in question is one they like. Also, if tied to funding this must not be a law, but an extra-legal feel-good edict with which the state is willing to bribe districts to comply. (If it were a law, why would funding be contingent?)

[jennyp]

Silly humans, a DNA test will prove male or female if they're that confused as to ignore their genitalia..

I dunno. I've never seen my chromosomes, and I've never gotten pregnant, so I couldn't tell you for absolutely sure which set I have. All I can say for sure is, I'm anatomically female and loving it, thank you very much. :-) But chromosomes aren't definitively tied to anatomical gender - there are some exceptions to the rule that produce perfectly viable humans. I suspect there's quite a few perfectly normal people walking around who'd be in for a big surprise if we started DNA testing everybody!

I think this California rule's heart is in the right place. But a transsexual student should have to actually change their sex first before they can be treated as the other gender. Simply relying on their say-so could never work.

[buffyt]

ZERO kids would go. We parents need to instill ZERO TOLERANCE for this Liberal Hell in our schools.

[buffyt]

It just dawned on me that I have known three people who were born female and male. Bonnie had surgery as an infant to remove the exterior male organs, but she didn't have fully developed female organs, and had to take hormones. She looked like a little boy in a dress in third grade, big ole muscular hands and arms. I worried about her all the time, she was constantly in fights.

Then there was a baby in our Lamaze class who was born both male and female. Her parents chose not to have the surgery, but to wait to see if she was more male or more female at puberty. That kid was facing a hell of a life. Even her face looked deformed a bit.

Then there was a girl I went all through school with. She was raised as a girl, but she had a small penis. Her parents didn't get the surgery. She also had an odd face with big bushy eyebrows. She dated boys. I don't know if she was intimate. I would imagine she had some surgery after she was grown and able to elect to have it for herself.

Then there was a girl I knew who was born with no uterus, and one who was born with two. The one with no uterus was unable to have children. The one with two, had several children.

There was a man here in town who had a sex change operation, and the main problem while he worked at a big chemical plant here, was which bathroom. He insisted on using Women's and the co. insisted on giving him his own. After his surgery he looked like a really big tall man in a dress and wig. But he was "happy."

So many anomolies, but I didn't see anything in the article about actual problems like that.

[DemWatch]

I wonder if the kids have the option to choose their "perceived race"...

[tjwmason]

The difference is actually rather simple, though ignorami have bastardised the word gender. The word gender is a grammatical term, it refers to words, and there are three genders (masculine, feminine and neuter) English does not really use grammatical gender very much (pretty much everything is neuter, though there are still places where one can hear ships referred to as 'she'). There are two sexes (male and female). The application of 'gender' to humans is just a bit of crass prudery from those who cannot bring themselves to say the word sex in case somebody assumes that they mean sexual intercourse.

The anarcho-leftists dug this pit for themselves, and now they are right in the middle of it.

[fight_truth_decay]

Elementary (school) my Dear Watson.