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Democrat Vote Fraud: Never Forget
self | 03-20-04 | wl-law

Posted on 03/20/2004 7:57:52 AM PST by WL-law

In an article posted earlier today, What Kerry Can Expect From His Party, authored by Joan Marie Nagy, she says:

The fact that no Democrat insider backed Gore is proof positive that they KNOW Gore lost the election. Even with illegal aliens and Democrat felons voting, Milwaukee derelicts bribed with cigarettes by New York limousine liberals, Philadelphia inner city precincts producing an unbelievable 100 percent turnout, a St. Louis Democrat judge keeping inner city districts open and voting until midnight, and the dead voting in almost every Democrat district--they still lost.

It is important for Freepers to know that she leaves out the best evidence of all of vote fraud in 2000, and we need to keep alive our knowledge of the following best and well-proven evidence of democrat theft – here it is:

John Lott's study of the disqualified (double-punched) Florida ballots showed that, in inner-city districts, the republican ballots (there are between 5-10% registered repubs in the inner cities, i.e., black republicans) were fifty to sixty times more likely to be double-punched than were the democratic ballots!!

To put that in perspective, if you assume that 95% of black voters are democrats and 5% republicans, then for every democrat ballot that was double-voted, there were TWO republican ballots that were double-voted, even though the dems outnumbered repubs by a 19-to-1 ratio. This is the ultimate smoking gun of voter fraud, but the press has IGNORED his findings.

Lott's research USED, as its raw data, the information collected by none other than the "USA Today" consortium of press organizations. Yes, this is the very press group that investigated the Florida ballots in a failed attempt to 'prove' that Gore would have won if the votes were recounted -- and their OWN DATA reveals the fraud.

Lott's investigation ties the high repub invalidated ballots to voting precincts controlled by democrat voting officials. The clear inference is that the ballots are collected and segregated by-party, and that someone took the republican pile and spoiled the ballots by "double-voting" them, i.e., punching something through the pile.

The notion that black republicans are fifty times more incompetent at basic voting skills than democratic voters (even though mean incomes, education level, etc, are much higher) is too ludicrous to contemplate.

Remember this, and repeat it whenever dems reverse the facts and claim that the election was stolen “from” them.


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To: WVNan
"Why did'nt the dims run Gore again?"

For one thing Nixon accepted the "loss" and didn't make a fool of himself.
21 posted on 03/20/2004 8:33:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: thoughtomator
No, being an "out and proud Republican" is not going to directly stop voter fraud. But, as the current democRats got that way because they are sheeple, let's appeal to their sheep-like herd instinct, by showing them a bigger, badder, more dominant herd they should be part of. Ours.
22 posted on 03/20/2004 8:35:45 AM PST by Tax Government
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To: WL-law; thoughtomator; Tax Government; SkyPilot; paul in cape; MNnice; punster; arthurus; WVNan; ...
Here's that other thread:
What Candidate Kerry Can Expect From His Party
Paperless voting, and in particular, internet voting, is intended to be fraudulent. Fraud, violence, the threat of violence, and of course, straight ticket options on ballots, are all tools of the Democretins.

We have to do everything we can in our own areas to make sure our like-minded turnout is high, and to refute the false claims. That includes writing to our local newspapers and media outlets. The down side is, that means we have to pay attention to the local news in order to monitor what's going on. Boy, the burdens we have to take on... ;')

posted to: WL-law; thoughtomator; Tax Government; SkyPilot; paul in cape; MNnice; punster; arthurus; WVNan ; swampfox98; cripplecreek; Montfort ; NJJ ; Voter#537; Cicero; ValerieUSA
23 posted on 03/20/2004 8:42:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (George W. Bush will be re-elected by a margin of at least ten per cent.)
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To: Tax Government
The important question is: Who is going to do something about it this next time around? Are the Dems once again going to be permitted to commit widespread and rampant electoral fraud, or is someone in the GOP putting together a plan to stop it (or at a minimum slow it down)?

What a question! Totally ignored by the RNC. Gore stole 5 states and these countryclubclymers can't even climb down from their bar stools to address the issue. Ashcroft's DOJ made damn sure his homestate (MO) got a straight(er) vote, and so did MD. Result: two GOP wins.

Drop in the bucket. What about the illegals registered in CA? What about PA? IL? MN? Between inner city black churches and their notorious van voters, Mexicans, and multiple absentee ballots from the quick AND the dead, the Republicans could blow this election.

Why this issue has no traction is beyond me. The Democrats won control of the Maine legislature by getting one of their judges to simply disqualify 34 voters. The stakes won by fraud are huge!

Instead, our Republican paid operatives accept, ACCEPT the ridiculous "Urban Legend" that Gore wone the popular vote!

24 posted on 03/20/2004 8:47:56 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: WL-law
In Vermont, at least until the last election I worked in 2002, we never checked anyone's ID when they came in to vote. Weren't even allowed to ask for it.

This recent primary, in Florida, I was asked for my voter registration card, a picture ID and had to confirm my current address.

Is this procedure now nationwide? If not, Florida is certainly doing a good job of screening voters

25 posted on 03/20/2004 8:56:46 AM PST by Vermonter
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To: Kenny Bunk
It's time to ditch the republican party and get a real one.
26 posted on 03/20/2004 8:58:10 AM PST by Tax Government
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To: SunkenCiv
We, the public, are expected to believe this? And once again the good-for-nothing media don't find this strange at all. In fact, they are pumping the hype. Is he the real candidate or is he just another stalking horse until the Democratic convention? Don’t expect the media to shed any light on that subject.

I've said a dozen times that Kerry is a stalking horse until the Democrat convention. I honestly believe he will throw his support to Hillary Clinton. The reason I believe this is that Kerry is such a nothing candidate. The Democrats are smarter than this, and I believe the media know it and are going along with it.

Talk about vote fraud! When Hillary gets on the ticket the fraud will be so enormous there will be nothing that can be done. Meanwhile, she'll take her place in the White House and every thing will be hushed up.

27 posted on 03/20/2004 8:58:32 AM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004 - Chaos! 200 million illegals waiting in the wings)
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To: Tax Government
We need to work on increasing the number of committed conservative people, through personal activism and one-on-one contact with those around us. Anonymous contact works great, via t-shirts and bumper stickers. The organization of like-minded people into parties and other groups -- e.g., church communities -- will follow naturally. This is a bottom-up, grass-roots strategy, but one that succeeds over time. Indeed, without this strategy, one is left with another dysfunctional political movement, 'led' from above, without any real commitment form anybody.

During the 60's, the leftist wing of the democrat party was not dominant. It became that way by osmosis, by one person influencing another. That is the approach that republicans/conservatives need to follow (and believe in) now.
28 posted on 03/20/2004 9:03:20 AM PST by Tax Government
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To: Tax Government
I think my tagline would make a nice t-shirt.
29 posted on 03/20/2004 9:05:26 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (I will vote Democrat over my dead body. Then I will probably vote 3 or 4 times...)
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To: Vermonter
In Vermont, at least until the last election I worked in 2002, we never checked anyone's ID when they came in to vote. Weren't even allowed to ask for it. This recent primary, in Florida, I was asked for my voter registration card, a picture ID and had to confirm my current address.

Is this procedure now nationwide? If not, Florida is certainly doing a good job of screening voters

I believe that the rules are set up 'by district', rather than statewide. So you end up with repub districts requiring documentation and ID, and dem districts requiring no ID at all.

And you know what happens next...

30 posted on 03/20/2004 9:06:45 AM PST by WL-law
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To: SkyPilot
Did I quote you rather than the article itself? If so, very sorry for the mis-attribution, and your statement was the "money quote" of the day, IMHO. Tks.
31 posted on 03/20/2004 9:08:32 AM PST by WL-law
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To: MNnice
"Philadelphia inner city precincts producing an unbelievable 100 percent turnout ..."

This factoid has been wandering the net since late 2000. It's simply not true. I have repeatedly challenged anyone to show me one sizeable precinct where it was so, with no response. I have looked personally at every philly precinct -- available from official sources. It's not true. The original source was a Jude Wanniski newsletter, which John Lott picked up in a column. It's like the "massive Black turnout" in Florida, which the Gorebots use to show GOP theft, and some right-wingers use to show Dem cheating. It didn't happen, either. The Fla SOS (Kathryn Harris, remember?), published turnout, by race. Black turnout in Fla was a bit lower than white, and right in line with 4 years earlier.

There are enough real things to worry about, without spreading untruths. I challenge again -- show me one precinct, by number and location, with 99% turnout of several hundred registered voters. 99% of the votes cast for Gore -- YES. 99% of the registered voting -- NO.

32 posted on 03/20/2004 9:45:08 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: WL-law
Dems have their minds made up that they were cheated in 2000. No amount of facts can overcome this. They WANT to believe they were cheated and that they actually won the election.

They should have Bahgdad Bob as their spokesman.
33 posted on 03/20/2004 9:55:16 AM PST by Bullish
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To: WL-law
For Broward Florida Freepers

Broward County Supervisor of Elections
115 South Andrews Ave Room 102
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: 954-357-7050

website http://www.browardsoe.org

The page for signing up to be a poll watcher is not working, how mysterious.

pollworker application, get paid:


http://www.browardsoe.org/webpollapp.php3?LID=1
34 posted on 03/20/2004 10:04:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Vermonter
You have always had to show ID in FL.
35 posted on 03/20/2004 10:09:01 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: BohDaThone
Nonvoted Ballots and Discrimination in Florida, by John Lott

Journal of Legal Studies 32 (January 2003) by The University of Chicago. All rights reserved. 0047-2530/2003/3201-0007

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Cross-sectional precinct-level data that were compiled by a group of newspapers led by USA Today allow for a much more detailed examination and indeed imply that precincts with more African-American voters have higher rates of nonvoted ballots. But if spoiled ballots do indicate disenfranchisement, then the new data show that, by a dramatic margin, the group most victimized in the Florida voting was African- American Republicans.

The new finding is stunning: African-American Republicans who voted in Florida were in excess of 50 times more likely than the average African American to have had a ballot declared invalid because it was spoiled.

...

Even to the extent that a relationship exists between race and nonvoted ballot rates, the effect is small. Column 2 in Table 1, which uses only one race-related variable (the number of African Americans in a precinct), implies that adding a thousand more African Americans in a precinct would increase the number of nonvoted ballots by only .25 percent. However, columns 3 and 4 provide some insight into what is being hidden by lumping all African Americans together.

Simply disaggregating by political registration between Republicans and Democrats produces one coefficient that is much larger and one that is much smaller than previously shown with the aggregate number. The estimate for African-American Republicans is so large that using columns 1 and 3 implies that 18 African-American Republicans will produce as many nonvoted ballots as 1,000 randomly selected African Americans. For columns 2 and 4, every 15 African-American Republicans produces as many nonvoted ballots as 1,000 randomly selected African Americans.

While African Americans are registered as Republicans at only about 1/18th the rate that they register as Democrats, the results in columns 1–4 imply that African-American Republicans are 54–66 times more likely than the average African American to produce nonvoted ballots.

Another way of saying this last result is that for every two additional black Republicans in the average precinct, there was one additional spoiled ballot. By comparison, it took an additional 125 African Americans (of any party affiliation) in the average precinct to produce the same result.

While illustrative, selectively including only some of the possible racial and ethnic as well as political affiliations of voters creates a problem because the presence of different groupings is likely to be correlated (either positively or negatively) across precincts, and using only select groupings might falsely attribute some of the variation that is in fact associated with other groupings to only those that are included. To deal with this, the rest of the regressions reported in Tables 1 and 2 use all the remaining information of race, ethnic grouping, and political registration that was provided to me by USA Today.

In order to avoid perfect collinearity with the variable that measures the number of voters in each precinct, I excluded the variable for voters of “other races registered to other parties (neither Republican nor Democratic).” Including these other groupings does reduce the size of the coefficient for African-American Republicans, but the coefficients in columns 5 and 6 of Table 1 are still substantial when compared with the average effect for African Americans, with a difference of around 50–55 times.6 The bottom third of Table 1 tests to see whether the different voter groups have statistically different effects on the number of nonvoted ballots.

What the results show is that African-American Republicans, white Republicans, and Hispanic Republicans have much higher nonvoted ballot rates than African-American Democrats and that all the differences are quite statistically significant. Only for other races is the reverse true, and that difference is very large and also quite statistically significant.

36 posted on 03/20/2004 10:12:17 AM PST by WL-law
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To: BohDaThone
Here's the excerpt from the Judd Wanninski letter you mentioned:

"In Philadelphia, I understand, the numbers are laughable. The population is less than 1.3 million and there are 1 million registered voters, which implies there are almost no children and all the adults are civic-minded. The turnout was 70% on November 7, with some black precincts reporting 100% turnout and 99% for you, and you carried the city by 300,000 votes!! That's roughly 500,000 to 200,000. The explanation I get from Republicans who live there is that there are so few Republicans in the black community that all the precinct workers are Democrats, which makes it easy for voting "irregularities" to appear. I've spoken to a few black political leaders I know who tell me they are not surprised, that "irregularities" may occur whenever one party is so concentrated in an election district. It's hard for them to argue with these numbers."

37 posted on 03/20/2004 10:18:38 AM PST by WL-law
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To: WL-law
So -- the letter claims that the voting was 100% for Bush, not that 100% of the registered voters voted, -- although the % of participating voters does seem unnaturally high as well.
38 posted on 03/20/2004 10:19:50 AM PST by WL-law
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To: punster
I suspect this election to be ,at the very least, twice as bad as, 2000.
There is only one way to stop this.

Someone needs to present a bill that would make election fraud a felony, it probably already is, and make the conviction carry a 10 year min. sentence, with about a million dollar fine to the guilty political party.

Make the law for the coming election and make damn sure the law is actually used.

A political party that has to cheat to win, is one sorry party, that should be forced to dissolve.
39 posted on 03/20/2004 1:52:41 PM PST by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: WL-law; Kenny Bunk
"In Philadelphia, I understand, the numbers are laughable. The population is less than 1.3 million and there are 1 million registered voters, which implies there are almost no children and all the adults are civic-minded. The turnout was 70% on November 7,"

Thanks for finding the Wanniski quote. Here's the problem. He says:

Population under 1300K

Registration of 1000K

Turnout Over 70% of registration.

If you go to census and SecState figures, you find that, instead, as of 2000,

Population 1518K
Registration 1025K
Turnout 442K Gore + 99K Bush + Minor = Turnout a bit over 50%

So, he's just way off. I've looked at the indivudal ward figures, and the few wards that got into the mid-60s in turnout were mostly the better-off white wards.

40 posted on 03/20/2004 3:54:08 PM PST by BohDaThone
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