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To: Thorin
I addressed it, you just ignored it. You aren't seeking answers, you're seeking excuses by asking questions you know the answers to which you think help your cause. I just did a logical end run around them to nip them at the bud. As I noted, the Judaizers thought themselves natural allies and believed all the same things but two - ALL THE SAME THINGS BUT TWO, and Paul stated them to be teachers of another Gospel. Why, because they taught that one must follow a ritual of judaism (circumcision) and follow the law - (righteousness by works, or as you might say, expiation). Paul judges your doctrine directly on that point. No two ways around it. And that's just for starters. So while I understand you don't like being told you aren't what you claim to be, I really don't care. I'm sorry you aren't. But then I'd like to be a fighter pilot. If I were to claim to be one and was corrected of it, I'm sure my feelings would be hurt; but, it wouldn't make my claim anymore correct than yours. If you want to be a christian, then become one.
667 posted on 03/20/2004 9:43:50 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
No, you keep ignoring it. You claim that the Papacy is a late invention, the succession of Popes made up, yet you ignore the testimony of Irenaeus. And you make no effort to explain how, if the Holy Spirit guides the church established by Jesus (something attested to by Scripture), beliefs many fundamentalists hold dear were completely unknown until recently. Meaning, by your own logic, that almost everyone on Earth who has thought himself a follower of Jesus Christ is damned. Instead, you insist that your own personal reading of Scripture is binding on all, and anyone who disagrees with you is not a Christian. What arrogance, what stupidity.

By contrast, my Church, while recognizing that not everyone agrees with Her, recognizes those who are baptized as Christians. Which is why Protestants joining the Catholic Church are not baptized again, and why the Church recognizes marriages conducted by a Protestant minister as binding and indissoluble.

677 posted on 03/21/2004 6:22:21 AM PST by Thorin
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