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To: Havoc
The majority of Christians that are in existence today are Roman Catholics, just as the majority of Christians who have existed throughout history are Roman Catholics. These include those who are being martyred for Christ today by Moslems, in places like Sudan. The statement that Catholics aren't "Christians" betrays an ingorance that is truly amazing, especially since no Christians believed as American fundamentalists do until the last century or so.
656 posted on 03/20/2004 8:07:08 PM PST by Thorin
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To: Thorin
As I just said a little bit ago, it isn't about a numbers game. Christian is a term that means follower of Christ and it is defined specifically in scripture what that means in action, in fruits produced and in purity of message. If those criteria are not met, the label is missapplied and the person is a fraud. And we are warned and commanded to make these judgements so that we don't get led astray into false teachings. You're begging the argument.

There, again, may be a billion Catholics on this planet. There were 8 that God saved from the flood. The rest of the world I'm sure thought itself just fine and dandy. There are more communist Chinese on the planet than Catholics. There are as many Islamists. Their numbers don't make them any more right than are you. Popular, perhaps, but Christianity isn't popular. It isn't about numbers. It's about Actions, Fruits and the message. Rome loses the argument on all three counts. And I'd submit it is the reason Rome redefined the church in different terms hoping it could appear to live up to those - and it couldn't even do that.

Your statement that Christians haven't believed that until the last century is stated in ignorance of history.
658 posted on 03/20/2004 8:19:14 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Thorin; Havoc
The majority of Christians that are in existence today are Roman Catholics, just as the majority of Christians who have existed throughout history are Roman Catholics. These include those who are being martyred for Christ today by Moslems, in places like Sudan. The statement that Catholics aren't "Christians" betrays an ingorance that is truly amazing, especially since no Christians believed as American fundamentalists do until the last century or so.

Please don't forget that others are being martyred for Christ.

Since the end of 2002, eight of the group's missionaries have been killed in attacks, including the four in Iraq, three in Yemen and one in the Philippines, Bridges said.

Baptist Missionaries Killed

692 posted on 03/21/2004 10:09:01 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: Thorin; Havoc; OLD REGGIE
The majority of Christians that are in existence today are Roman Catholics, just as the majority of Christians who have existed throughout history are Roman Catholics. These include those who are being martyred for Christ today by Moslems, in places like Sudan. The statement that Catholics aren't "Christians" betrays an ingorance that is truly amazing, especially since no Christians believed as American fundamentalists do until the last century or so.

I dunno but it seems like folks think that until the 19th century religious movements, there was no Christians, it suddenly disappeared underground for 1800 years and then reappeared in middle America. The rest of the world is going to heck along with their ancestors....
772 posted on 03/22/2004 4:44:35 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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