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To: Salve Regina; cupcakes
Here, folks, is a bald faced lie. People constantly challenged the authority of the Vicar of Christ, and were not killed.

Here folks is the truth. People who challenged the Popes were also killed.

So, in your blind hatred, your lie has a truth of sorts to it. In excommunicating the unrepentant heretic, the Pope condemned him to eternal death, but left his earthly body untouched and unharmed in the hopes that he would repent and be saved.

One of your biggest lies. The Pope wasn't the one who lit the fire or personally declared the "heretic" guilty. This was left up to the Inquisition, formed by the Pope.

The fact that the "heretic" was then handed over to the civil authorities to be killed left the Pope with clean hands?
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Let's see what Thomas Aquinas had to say about the matter.

Aquinas.: SMT SS Q[11] A[3] Body Para. 1/2

I answer that, With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life. Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death.
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For over a thousand years, the Roman Catholic Church hunted down "heretics" and killed them. Some of these "heretics" were people with strange beliefs. However, as we shall see later, many of them were Bible-believing Christians.

This will make the defenders of the "one true...." angry.

451 posted on 03/20/2004 11:39:51 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
1. In a Christian monarchy, where Church and State are bound together, heresy against the Church is treason against the State. Therefore, in such a situation, heretics are traitors, and traitors deserve death.

2. The Inquisitions were never empowered to burn or otherwise kill anybody. Such sentences were carried out by the secular authority of the State.

3. The Inquisitions and Christian Monarchy were good things, and should be revived.

460 posted on 03/20/2004 12:01:10 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
This will make the defenders of the "one true...." angry.

Actually, it made me smile. Surely you can do better than this poor soul.

562 posted on 03/20/2004 4:14:38 PM PST by iconoclast
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To: OLD REGGIE; Salve Regina; cupcakes
Here folks is the truth. People who challenged the Popes were also killed.

You're BOTH using generalisms. There were some bad Popes and most seem to have occurred around the latter Middle ages, just before the Reformation (Adding fuel to fire). But I don't think you'd say that any of the modern day Popes would do that? And I don't think that ALL of the earlier Popes did that? Do you believe that ALL of them right from St. Peter onwards got their opponents killed?
763 posted on 03/22/2004 3:39:46 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Salve Regina
You also fail to point out that in those 1500 years, death was most certainly the outcome for anyone who even challenged Papal authority.

The Eastern Bishops did do that (ok,it was not really about dogma, more politics). I don't think they got bumped off.
764 posted on 03/22/2004 3:45:55 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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