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To: Havoc; Salve Regina
And Communication is the thing that is disallowed no matter whether you seek aid or not. No matter what kind of communication it is, it is still communicating with the dead.

The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21). And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).

And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

434 posted on 03/20/2004 5:21:53 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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To: NYer
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.

No. It does not. You wish to twist it to say that because you have no foundation anywhere in scripture that blatently says what you are trying to establish. This is Why Paul made his pronouncement in Galations and why Isaiah made his. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them. Paul knew what he was speaking about because he'd been a Pharisee. He knew the law and the pronouncements of Scripture all too well. You are teaching other than was taught. And as it happens, you're teaching against what Israel taught because you are ignorant of what went before.

485 posted on 03/20/2004 1:56:13 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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