[presidio9]

1. Purgatory

Protestants are demonstrably wrong on Purgatory. The idea of Purgatory stems from Maccaabees, which Luther removed from the Bible. However, as that book points out, were there no purgaroty, there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments.

[hopespringseternal]

However, as that book points out, were there no purgaroty, there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments.

Can you post those references?

[Hacksaw]

Protestants are demonstrably wrong on Purgatory. The idea of Purgatory stems from Maccaabees, which Luther removed from the Bible. However, as that book points out, were there no purgaroty, there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments.

What their argument is is that by being crucified, Jesus paid the penalty that souls would otherwise have to spend in purgatory. The question I had to this would be the case of a man who led a completely evil life, but begged forgiveness at the end of it. The response is that the rewards for a good life would be granted in Heaven, not by less time waiting to get into Heaven. But that would then imply that some in Heaven outrank others.

[hosepipe]

[ there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments ]

As we are instructed to NOT DO... in OT and NT...

[k2blader]

were there no purgaroty, there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments.

Please post these references. Thank you.

[iconoclast]

were there no purgatory, there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments.

I've related this story before on this forum, so bear with me as I repeat it.

Upon hearing of my conversion to Catholicism some 20+ years ago, my dear (sincerely) Sis rushed to my office to confront me on my apostasy. There was much give and take and one of the "important" points was, of course, the baleful idea of purgatory.

I acknowledged that, yes, I was quite at peace with the concept. I asked her, "Where do you have Uncle Blake?" Well, it was a little snotty of me ... I knew darn well where my evangelical sister had my departed uncle. He had been a large man, with large appetites, and, thanks be to God, a very large heart, and I love(d) him dearly. I told her that for me he was was in purgatory and I prayed for him often.

If it be God's will, Unc and I will hug again in heaven.

[The Grammarian]

Protestants are demonstrably wrong on Purgatory. The idea of Purgatory stems from Maccaabees, which Luther removed from the Bible. However, as that book points out, were there no purgaroty, there would be no need to pray for the departed, as we are instructed to do numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments.

Acceptance of Deuterocanonical works into the canon is another sticky point between Protestants and Rome. But even assuming that, and assuming that you can back up your claim that we are instructed to pray for the dead in books not in contention (i.e., the Old and New Testaments), 2 Maccabees 12:40 indicates that the Jews Judas ordered his men to pray for had idols of Jamnia in their possession. Now, isn't idolatry a mortal sin? And mortal sins don't wind you up in Purgatory, now do they?

[hosepipe]

[ The idea of Purgatory stems from Maccaabees, which Luther removed from the Bible. ]

Wrong .. Eusibius(catholic priest) removed it from the bible plus several other extraneous questionable writings..