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To: presidio9
As a Christian, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not intentionally change the quote to suit your argument. It's beside the point. You're still wrong.

What you quoted and what I quoted are essentially the same thing. As I said, the relevant portion is the fact that JP II as ya'll call him, sought Mary in prayer for salvation. You can spin that any way you wish. It does not change it one iota. I don't care a whit about the "special role" you wish to say exists. It isn't in scripture and it's blasphemous. Scripture tells us that Christ is the way the truth and the life and that no man comes to the Father but by Him. Paul tells us that salvation comes through us individually believing on Christ and Confessing him with our mouths. That alone should be enough to tell us that Mary can in NO way obtain salvation for ANYONE. She can't believe for you and she can't confess for you. This is another Gospel message being foisted on us. You can't rationalize your way out of it. He said it. You're in denial.

233 posted on 03/19/2004 3:34:32 PM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: Havoc
What you quoted and what I quoted are essentially the same thing.

That is a lie. I am beginning to think again that you omitted the verse intentionally.

As I said, the relevant portion is the fact that JP II as ya'll call him, sought Mary in prayer for salvation.

We call him John Paul II, because that is his name. Do you mock that as well? The "Salvation" we seek is "the Way and the Truth and the Life" Who is Jesus Christ.

He said it. You're in denial.

You need help. I really think you should consider speaking to your minister (or whomever you confide in) on this matter. You are demonstrably wrong.

240 posted on 03/19/2004 3:40:48 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Havoc
"it's blasphemous"

You are a man. The Holy Father is a man, and the head of the Church. You call him a blasphemer. I.E. you say he is not only wrong, but a serious sinner.

Reading of his life and holiness, I'll accept his authority over yours . . . ;)
253 posted on 03/19/2004 3:50:39 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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