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Havoc (#1054): Can't refute the scriptures, so as the pharisees with christ, you attempt to refute me with personal attacks and slurs.
Havoc (#1094): Need a hammer and nails? Trees are a dime a dozen.
Havoc (#1102): Hey, I didn't claim to Be Jesus. The problem for you is, what if I were? Look at the topic of this thread. Not one of you had the sense to even question if I might be right.
Havoc (#1104): I have no reason to backpedal. None whatsoever.
Reg (#1105): The point is you long ago gave away any pretense of independant thinking. You gave your will and intellect to your Bishops and will dance to any tune they play.

Havoc (#1114): God loves ya. But you might consider finding Christ. Cause this thread is a really bad witness for ya'll.
Havoc (#1117): Hmm, who do we believe - the guy that gives us the straight dope on salvation, or the ones that condemn us for believing him. Tough choice.
Havoc (#1135): Thank you again kind sir. You are a wonder to behold :) LOL

I'm compiling the collected sayings of Havoc and his Profit Reg (pbuh), the SCARY-aah. This will be an accompaniment to the KORN which contains Surahs ans Suptras about Vicki, Luci and the Hell time orchestra.

I just spent over an hour reading the last 8 or 9 pages of this thread (having read the first bunch of pages earlier).

Actually, I need to take that back. First, I read the last page, and from reading just that one, I thought Havoc must have the upper hand in the debate. I mean, he still sounds so damn confident, and people aren't trying to argue with him anymore...

Then I went back, and read from 8 pages or so back.

I would now like to summarize some of the most stupid, ignorant statements I have ever heard on Free Republic:

1) "It is you guys who are not allowed to read and use your brains. The minute you have a thought contrary to the teaching of your church, you stand on the verge of being condenmed to Hell by them - excommunicant. Or are we not supposed to make that known here."

This, to me, is the absolute winner. The ignorance required to post this baffles the imagination. OH YEAH, the Pope and Rome are just swinging that big excommunication bat around like a big old steel-plated baseball bat, striking down anyone who claims to be Catholic who even -thinks- about dissenting, that's why John Kerry and several dozen other legislators get to cheer on abortion and never get excommunicated!

2) "The problem is you aren't allowed to speculate as to whether Rome is right or not." Yup, that badass Church is just smackin' down all those uppity liberal Catholics all over the place - they don't -dare- question the Church's non-negotiable stances on contraception, abortion, and remarriage. Here - I'll fill you in on a little secret. All those strayed Catholics, they use condoms, they have and support abortions, they get remarried all the time, but in the deep dark night, each Church brings them all into a dark dungeon in the middle of the night and FLOGS them for it. So if they didn't -know- they couldn't disobey the Church, they sure know after! And they're told -never to tell- anyone about the flogging too, cause if they do, they'll get flogged again! And then... the Comfy Chair!

3) "Asked. Answered. Next". This wouldn't be so ignorant if it were in any way true, except it isn't. I'm -still- waiting to hear an answer to the points made in #901, where Havoc is nailed for introducing what can only be a deliberate misquote of a prayer as evidence.

4) Catholics worship Mary... *rolls eyes* Why? Because they give her divine powers... if she weren't divine, she couldn't hear prayers launched at her from all over the planet. Never mind that all the saints, really, any human being in heaven is ascribed those same abilities, -as given to them by God-. Nope. Mary's the problem. Hey, you Catholics, you worship Mary like she's a deity. No. Really. Havoc says so. Never mind that it's not true. Never mind that you know you don't. Never mind that the Church -actively states- that Mary is not a deity. He's TELLING you that the Church says she's a deity, and that you think she's a deity. And he obviously knows who you worship and who you don't. Why should we listen to -you-? Next thing you know, you'll be claiming you can speak for yourselves! *sigh*

5) The arrogance required to interpret the Bible in such a way that bearing false witness to your wife when you tell her that her dress DOESN'T make her look fat is just as hell-worthy and damning a sin as blowing up several hundred people as a suicide bomber... AND THAT IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE THAT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES A MERCIFUL GOD... I am quite frankly amazed.

And this is just the ones that stand out in my mind. I won't even go into ET's delusional rants.

Havoc, if the Communists aren't paying you, you're getting ripped off.

By the way, I'm agnostic, and I don't have a dog in this fight. I -do- find Bible study fascinating, and have a great deal of respect for Christianity and -particularly- Catholicism for the exact reason that it has managed to avoid the exact kind of lunatic fundamentalism being expoused by some here.

To the Catholics on this thread who have done a marvelous job defending their faith against slander, let me just point out that even this cynical agnostic finds your arguments a thousand times more coherent AND consistent with what the Bible actually says than anything Havoc has spouted.

BTW, Havoc, in all your incessant pounding of quotes out of Paul concerning faith vs. works, I guess you believe James was just kinda mistaken?

James 2:14: What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?

James 2:17: So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

James 2:24: You see that a man is justified by works and not by his faith alone.

By every standard you have applied to Catholics, Havoc, you call James a liar. Deal with it.

Qwinn