I have come full circle on Havoc. First I thought he was a troll. Then I thought he was just really stupid. Now I think that he is a sleazy troll. He just wants to say nasty things about Catholicism as many times as he can. The same fact has been brought up to him dozens of times on this thread. I no longer think he is too stupid to get the point. I think he is delibrately ignoring it.