Gibson's passion film 'too Catholic'

Belfast Telegraph ^ | 19 March 2004 | Alf McCreary

[Cronos]

Your message cannot convince Christians. And because of that you have to spend forever and a day taughting history and appearances intended to make you look Christian.

Words that drag on with no reference to the True Word of God cannot convince True Christians. you must repent and believe in the True Word of God and join His Church, His communion of followers. One must be baptised in the faith if you are to be saved. Otherwise the consequences are pretty nasty.

taughting history?

[Cronos]

I don't give a hoot what sign is over your door if you preach an unperverted Gospel.

That's a very good thing! Why don't you come along for a Catholic faith meeting?

[SoothingDave]

Do we have to take you to logic school?

Ha ha ha. Hee hee hee. Ha hoo hoo ha.

Thanks, that's funny.

Say, aren't you opposed to logic anyway since it's a tool of "philosophy" and therefore an enemy of the Bible?

SD

[Cronos]

Come along to rejoin the True Church and save your soul. We must pray for your soul

[Cronos]

I really like seeing your tenacity whilest thinking yourself Christian.

Not thinking, knowing that thanks to God I am so. And you need to be saved too, to join the community of God's own people, his royal priesthood, His nation, His Church, what you call the Roman Catholic Church. You need to be baptised in Christ and accept him and the church will help you on yoru way.

[Cronos]

Doing all the things involved in worship and then turning around over the shoulder and saying "psst, this ain't worship"

There is no worship of saints or of Mary. These are heroes of the faith, no more. What do you see?

[Cronos]

Actions speak louder than words.
True, thats why you must display and act on being saved. That is the good deeds that come naturally to those granted the grace by God.

[Cronos]

Been over that. Saying it in spite of the fact of what you teach doesn't make it so. See my last comment.

your last comment was actions speak louder than words. And thats the Church, it's saved countless millions and spread the Gospel to all corners of the globe. It has done the work imputed to it by Christ. So, since it has kept His message and spread His word for 2000 words, that makes it as per your definition, THE Church of Christ.

[Havoc]

Do we have to repeat every argument on this thread for you?
Do you know scripture? Ecclesiastes 9. The Bodily dead cannot interact with the bodily living. Period. It is why Christ saw a VISION in Matthew 17:9 because to actually bring down the real people would have violated God's own statutes. How is it Judaism knows this and you guys don't. I've never gotten an answer on that and it isn't like I haven't asked it enough times. I know the answer; but, you guys don't seem to. And given they predate Christianity by a bit and Catholicism by even more and Roman Catholicism by more still, one wonders how the "one true" church is ignorant of this to the point of trying to skirt it or explain it away. God was smart enough to leave little stumbling stones like this to trip up frauds. Just like the one they left which the Watchtower must have missed about Christ having a solid body after arising. Oops. The "one true" is supposed to know these things. You'll note that Ecclesiastes isn't stating a part of the Law. It is merely stating a truism as to what God allows and disallows and which speaks to the nature of bodily death. And Jesus coming doesn't change the nature of bodily death - it still occurs.

[Cronos]

And you hold the Apocryphals or Deuterocanonicals to be scripture. No difference. A book is a book is a book.

Again a lamentable lack of knowledge. To compare the Moroni works and the books acclaimed by Jewish teachers at the TIME of Christ to be the same level is strange, to put it mildly.

[Cronos]

If it isn't scripture, it isn't scripture

True, Moroni isn't Scripture, the Apocrypha IS.

[Cronos]

Oh wow, so you're saying that the other first churchs set up in the Middle east weren't over run by Islam?

[Petronski]

It is why Christ saw a VISION in Matthew 17:9 because to actually bring down the real people would have violated God's own statutes.

You continue to repeat this lie, routed in your poor translation of Greek, but motivated by your burning need to bear false witness against Christ's Church.

[Cronos]

Catholics ever figured out that they could confess Christ and have assurance of their salvation

We already know that, it is what the Church teaches. You really do need to be saved.

[Cronos]

Rome's perversion of the Gospel keeps good people blinded to the truth.

hmmmm.... No. The 'Catholic'/Universal church spreads the Message of God to all. Actions and the Message of christ -- the Christian church.

[Cronos]

Repeating your claims doesn't sidestep the issue.

[Cronos]

so, which Theodosius and which Asia are you referring to? And do you seriously claim that the book of Moroni is the same level as the Apocrypha that were held as sacred works by the Jews at the time of Christ? And what more do you state as the only truth as opposed to the Truth of the Christ through His Apostles and through His Apostolic Church, now known as the roman Catholic Church?

[Cronos]

So... This *appears* to claim Deutercanonicals are "antiscriptural"?

They know not what they do. The books of Moron are blasphemous. How can anyone put the Apocryphe in the same category?

[Fury]

Havoc writes:

Do we have to take you to logic school?

Please see post 809.

How then does the pope pray to Mary to obtain his salvation for him.

Please provide a citation for the pope praying for Mary to obtain his salvation.

[Havoc]

You see the words but you don't understand, you light on one small verse and quote it ad nauseum with no knowledge of the whole.

Ad hominem. I know well the whole and that is why I rebuke it and condemn it for what it is.

1. Communication with the dead is impossible - Ecclesiastes 9.

2. Attempting to communicate with the dead in every form is outlawed under the laws of God in the OT and assigned the death penalty in all the forms it takes.

3. If it is both impossible to communicate with the dead and a sin unto physical death to do it, then Mary can't hear you and you are committing sin in trying to speak to her - even if it's just to ask a favor.

4. Given 1-3 we have example to back it up. Saul tried to communicate with Samual and God put him to death for it. Thus the statute of god forbidding it, the law of God designating God's penalty and GOD HIMSELF condemning and putting Saul to death for it.

5. Salvation is through Christ and him alone. John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

6. Communication with God is through Christ and Him alone. John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 10: 7-8 "John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. [8] All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

If you are trying to approach any other way you are a thief and a robber.

7. 1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; [6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

So, not only is it forbidden to speak to the bodily dead. Not only is it impossible. God Gave a mediator through which we may approach him and you violate even that. And Jesus himself stated that No one can approach God but through Him. You have to pray through Christ - not Mary or the Saints - through Christ. You've made Mary a mediator and thusly termed her "mediatrix." Your entire pile of doctrine betrays your church a liar as it stands before the truth of scripture.

You've created another mediator in the persons of Mary and the saints - not just one, but countless. Heresy. You preach that praying or seeking favor from the physically dead is useful and proper - heresy and demonstrated so by the statutes and actions of God on the very subject. And you seek salvation through another mediator, favors through that mediator, etc. Directly in contravention of scripture and as a perversion of it. You teach not only another Gospel; but, a replacement Gospel designed to give lipservice to God and Christ while violating the statutes of both and superceding them with your own. You are thieves and robbers.