Gibson's passion film 'too Catholic'

Belfast Telegraph ^ | 19 March 2004 | Alf McCreary

[Havoc]

No, there weren't "Popes". The office didn't even exist in the time of the Apostles. If you check your history, you'll find the office wasn't even defined till the last half of the first millenium. Presidents of the United states didn't exist pre-George Washington. Learn some History. And which Papal list do you wish to quote from? I have 12 and no two alike. The early popes are an interpolation because the office didn't exist. And it's not an unbroken line. The deed itself is a lying facade created to impute authority based on cursory look. And as I said, "Catholic" as an official term didn't come till Theodosius. Even that is unimportant other than to show the ongoing lies that pile up to defraud people with a look of genuineness in origin in place of genuineness of the Gospel. If all the lies and deceptions were turned true by some magic and yet your Gospel remained a different Gospel than that taught by the Apostles, you'd still be wrong. And that is the point. Your message AND your fruits judge you.

Christ didn't come saying - LOOK, people have believed my message for 2000 years. He didn't come saying "I have 1.6 billion people following me, it must be true." NO. He said narrow and long is the path and few that enter in. And he said "IT IS WRITTEN". Your message cannot convince Christians. And because of that you have to spend forever and a day taughting history and appearances intended to make you look Christian. Christ gave the message, it bore witness and BANG - done.

I'm not a protestant. I'm not an "anti-catholic" or an "anti-mormon", etc. I'm anti catholic DOCTRINE, anti mormon DOCTRINE, anti watchtower DOCTRINE because I'm a child of God with the truth in me and the Holy Spirit bearing witness to that truth. I don't give a hoot what sign is over your door if you preach an unperverted Gospel.
Your church does not. I really like seeing your tenacity whilest thinking yourself Christian. I'd like to see that tenacity applied to the ACTUAL Gospel message so that you'll get the benefit you deserve. I'm sorry you've been defrauded; but, I won't apologize for stating the truth.

[Cronos]

Or do you not know that contradicting scripture, God's word, is blasphemy. It calls God a liar.

No Catholic does that, the breakaway cults from the true church may, but the true Church sticks by the word of God.

[OLD REGGIE]

You also fail to point out that in those 1500 years, death was most certainly the outcome for anyone who even challenged Papal authority.

Please be aware those words were never written by me. The person who accused me has chosen to ignore her error.

[Cronos]

Christian is a term that is much abused by the devil and taken for himself according to prophecy.

huh? Now you're saying the bible says that to be called Christian is to be a Satanist?

[Cronos]

This is about heeding God's word and getting people back to God's word and OUT of the Whore's false religious system - Christianity soaked in the whoredome of compromise with paganism and philosophy.

Do you celebrate Halloween with Trick or Treat or Christmas with a Christmas tree and yule time log? Those are pagan deals as is the custom of giving an easter egg.

[Havoc]

Doing all the things involved in worship and then turning around over the shoulder and saying "psst, this ain't worship" Is like stabbing someone to death and looking over your shoulder mid thrust and saying "psst, this ain't murder". Actions speak louder than words.

[Cronos]

And we know Christians by their fruits and their message. If you come with a message other than the Gospel as presented by Christ and the Apostles, you aren't a Christian.

And the fruits of the Church of God, called the Catholic Church are numerous and it included OUR ancestors.

This one true Church has the message of the Gospel as presented by Christ and the Apostles. That is the message spread by the Church. Hence it fulfills your conditions. Hence it is the true Christian church.

[Havoc]

I agree with that. And the RCC has kept HIS message and has preached HIS message for 2000 years.

Been over that. Saying it in spite of the fact of what you teach doesn't make it so. See my last comment.

[Cronos]

Rome anathematizes Paul

What do you mean Rome anathemizes? The correct term is The Church and the The Church does NOT anathemize Paul.

[k2blader]

I hope you're not trying to say the Roman Catholic church is the "one true Christian Church", because that would be untrue.

[Havoc]

Mormons hold the book of Moroni to be scripture.

And you hold the Apocryphals or Deuterocanonicals to be scripture. No difference. A book is a book is a book. If it isn't scripture, it isn't scripture. You're begging a difference that doesn't exist. Both of you use antiscriptural books and antiscriptural doctrines. The only thing seperating you is the names you use. The excuses are all the same.

[Cronos]

It is about Christians telling people who claim Christianity and teach other than the true Gospel that they are going to Hell if they don't get it together.

I'll pray for you that God shows you the true path and saves your soul. You need to be baptised in Christ and believe and act. We'll all pray for your soul to be saved.

[OLD REGGIE]

TRue, the main 7 churchs formed were equally authoratative, being formed by the Apostles in the west. But where is Alexandria, Constantinople, Antioch etc. now? oh, they're under Islam. Shucks. Which divinely appointed body maintained and sustained the church during those dark times? do I hear someone say the RCC? A cookie to the person, they're correct.

The Primacy of Rome as the sole surviving authoratative church is paramount.

Pure rubbish!

[Cronos]

And one cannot save souls by selling a perverted Gospel to the world

True, that's why I'm against the phony fundamentalists and TV 'evangelists' whose entire message seems to be 'gimme, gimme, gimme'. The message is a perversion of scripture and all of God's teachings and seems to consist of purely attacking the Church of God and quoting half pieces of scripture or misquoting prayers and leaving out sections and then misquoting scripture. These people are worse than blasphemers, by perverting the message and leading away the sheep from the True Church, the Catholic church, they do the enemy's work.

[Sybeck1]

Southern Baptist and moved be the "Passion"!

[Cronos]

doled out by priests a bit at a time toward salvation

Cooo, who does that? i've never heard of the Church teaching that the priests dole out salvation a bit at a time.

[Havoc]

It is paramount only to Rome. If Catholics ever figured out that they could confess Christ and have assurance of their salvation, Rome would be out of a job. The whole system as constructed has been setup to keep people needing Rome. Nobody does. It's all a pitiful illusion.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Have eternal life - not will have. Rome's perversion of the Gospel keeps good people blinded to the truth. And it anathematizes anyone who speaks the truth. That's why the Lord says "COME OUT OF HER!"

[kailbo]

No, the dead's fate is sealed. Either they believed and accepted the truth or they rejected it and no amount of praying that I do can change that."

I disagree. There is no sin vile enough or big enough that God cannot forgive it.

31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Matt 12:31-32

[Havoc]

Repeating your claims doesn't sidestep the issue.

[Cronos]

And your point is. God saved 8 from the flood. How many do you think believed they were doing it right back then?

yes, first he saved 8, then, with Abraham's family and descendents he saved a score, then with Israel he saved millions, then with Christ he came to save the world. Do you mean that God does not want to save all of humanity? God's plan is for all, not for some memebers of a tiny esoteric cult.