KERRY RETREATS FROM HIS DENIAL ON VIETNAM MEET - Evidence Puts Him At Kansas Parley

New York Sun ^ | Mar 19, 2004 | JOSH GERSTEIN

[blackie]

Another poster says the same thing, even though she reads it over and over. :)

Thanks for not saying it's boring. :)

[cyncooper]

Other accounts led him to think that Mr. Kerry had quit the group at a July meeting in St. Louis.

The "other accounts" emanated from Kerry or his aides in order to put out the evidently false assertion that he did not attend. In other words he's lied for years about attending.

And check out the fellow VVAW, Skip Roberts, who resigned with him now heading a union which--surprise!--has endorsed Kerry. (I concede that President Bush also has supporters that come from his college days)

How does one "seize" the Statue of Libery? I'll read the replies, somebody's probably already explained.

[wtc911]

Yep, but this is very spin-able if he did in fact resign VVAW because of it....see, I was the good one, etc...

[doug from upland]

Just saw it. Three hours away on a business meeting and all hell is breaking loose. Hillary is in the bullpen warming up..........er, in the coven warming up.

[Alia]

How do I interpret this from Kerry? Ollie-Ollie Auken free!!! (spelling). Meaning: "Hey, comrades -- go for the gusto! Now, quickly awaken our walking dead to DIRECT ACTION. Reveal yourselves!"

[mo]

It seems to mee Ms. Hillarhea has been busy-and the best part about it is that its OBVIOUS John Effin' Kerry isn't even aware she has his FBI file....!!!!!

[cyncooper]

I hate to disabuse everybody, but this is a non-starter. He was present at the meeting, he spoke and voted against it, then resigned. It spins as "Kerry, man of principle".

How you folks can so naive about the national media after all we've seen is beyond me.

Yes, and he lied about his attendance because he was too modest to speak up about taking this stand. /sarcasm

As to the idea that we should all shut up because the media runs the show and they'll decide how to spin it, you can forget about it.

The fact is the idea that Kerry was part of a group that would even entertain such a plan is news and will be disseminated. None of us are naive enough to think all will be horrified. We have eyes and ears. But it IS horrifying and it WILL be discussed.

I don't think he quit based on principle but because of political calculations and the fear of being caught.

That's my opinion watching how Kerry operates and reading and hearing how he thinks. I don't think he was against the idea per se. Just listen to how he'll say the name "John Ashcroft" when he's at a campaign rally and it's easy to picture a young John Kerry being attracted in a way to the idea of assassinating hard right-wingers who were pro-Vietnam War.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Thanks! I "hadn't" seen it yet!

Bookmarked!

[maggief]

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., carries a snowboard as he snowshoes his way toward a mountain in Sawtooth National Recreation Area in Ketchum, Idaho Friday, March 19, 2004. Kerry planned to snowboard down from about a 8000-foot elevation. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

[alwaysconservative]

I think the reason he has always denied that he was at the meeting is that he knew of a terrorist plot to assassinate U.S. Senators and did not report it.

That bears repeating, as well as the idea that he went out and stumped for them for close to two years afterward, KNOWING these were people who even considered assassination as a political tool. How are these people different from terrorists again?

[cyncooper]

Nope the REAL news is that "Effing" Kerry was in ANY WAY associated with these lunatics. Let's see if that gets reported.

I said this last night. Just his association with such a group merits scrutiny and if a Republican had been in it and even had really quit months before, I posit the media would STILL cover it as "this is the type of group so and so associated with". And actually they would be right, unless the Republican had vocally and by action completely disassociated themselves from the group and denounced over and over and demonstrated by deeds a rejection of their creed.

None of that has happened with Kerry. He has not renounced or rejected the group or any individuals associated with it. Including the plot's architect, Scott Camil.

[cake_crumb]

So...he remembers a "disagreement", but doesn't RECALL the REASON for a disagreement...thus ducking the question of why he didn't take a plot to murder senators to the authorities. Very "I voted for it before I voted against it" of him. He didn't go to the authorities about the alleged war crimes either.

[doug from upland]

“Especially if you’re running for president, you don’t want to be associated with a plot for assassinating people.”
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Duh, ya think?

In a few short weeks the tone has changed from a phony AWOL charge to a real charge of attending a meeting where they voted on assassinations. Kerry is on the defense big time. Thanks to the internet and FreeRepublic, he can not Slick Willy his way of of this.

Hillary, I'm sure, has known about this all along. Now, she is not even going the have to secretly blackmail him into dropping out. Her hands are clean. Good grief, what have we done here?

[cake_crumb]

"It cites 'personality conflicts and differences in political philosophies' as the main reasons for the resignations."

Translation: Kerry was too arrogant and vain to realize that anarchists are THE most important useful idiots of commusocialists like him.

[alnick]

I hate to disabuse everybody, but this is a non-starter. He was present at the meeting, he spoke and voted against it, then resigned. It spins as "Kerry, man of principle".

Except that Kerry:

1. Didn't report it to the authorities, and

2. Assured them that he (Kerry) would be available to speak at future events for the group.

Any man of principle would have immediately reported this to the FBI and would have completely disassociated himself from the group rather than offer to continue to speak at their functions.

[CDHart]

As someone else posted, if it comes out that Kerry stayed on as spokesman for a length of time after that meeting, it would be worse for him. But if he can make it look like he cut ties with the org. because of that meeting, it could be spun as in his favor.

Carolyn

[madison10]

"What did Mr. Kerry know, and when did he know it?"

When does someone ask?

Why bother asking? Kerry will just say it's none of our business.

[VadeRetro]

As someone else posted, if it comes out that Kerry stayed on as spokesman for a length of time after that meeting, it would be worse for him. But if he can make it look like he cut ties with the org. because of that meeting, it could be spun as in his favor.

The article makes clear that he agreed to continue as a spokesman. So does history.

[Hon]

"How does one "seize" the Statue of Libery? I'll read the replies, somebody's probably already explained."

They just went in and took it over using force and intimidation. In fact, they did it TWICE.

They then presented their list of demands--just like terrorists do the world over. One of their demands was to be allowed to broadcast their anti-American propaganda over Armed Forces Radio so that the troops in Vietnam and elsewhere could hear it.

The VVAW also took over Betsy's Ross's house. Scott Camil wanted to burn it to the ground.

[jellybean]

"Oh, THAT meeting! The one where we discussed assisinating Senators? Oh, yeah! I was there, I just forgot about it.">

Those things can slip your mind, ya know...