Tennessee county beats hasty retreat from call to ban homosexuals

Associated Press ^ | March 18, 2004 | BILL POOVEY

[tomball]

The county that was the site of the Scopes "Monkey Trial" over the teaching of evolution Thursday reversed its call to ban homosexuals.

Rhea County commissioners took about three minutes to retreat from a request to amend state law so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature. The Tuesday measure passed 8-0.

[narses]

How? If we respect the basis of our laws and our constitutions, what objections have you?

[TradicalRC]

You are much more likely to whale on your wife, or one of your kids, when you're drunk, even in the confines of your abode. As you know, that is a proximate occasion of sin, and society has the duty to protect them from your drunken rages.

Oh yeah, everyone I know turns to a violent rage whenever they have a few too many. Who do YOU party with?

[AntiGuv]

The short answer is that they all violated the two most basic precepts that I articulated. Hitler was a Christian, BTW.

[AntiGuv]

Not a very good one, I might add...

[narses]

"Hitler was a Christian, BTW."

Hitler was baptized into the Catholic Church, he apostized into a pagan mass murderer who espoused a secular humanist view of the world.

[narses]

"Who do YOU party with?"

Given his claims to a seminary education, do you REALLY want to know?

[AntiGuv]

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

- Adolf Hitler, 1941.

[TradicalRC]

Hitler was a Christian, BTW.

Hitler was a Socialist, BTW. Another of those Secular creeds.

[timm22]

How? If we respect the basis of our laws and our constitutions, what objections have you?

I don't even know where to begin on this one. A system which criminalizes mortal sins, to be defined by the legislature, would give them extraordinary power and greatly diminish the liberty of citizens. Laws would be arbitrary and would invade almost every aspect of a person's life. The rule of law would vanish, to be replaced by the rule of the majority. Individual rights would be non-existent.

This is totalitarianism. I can see little difference between this system and that of the Taliban, except perhaps for the punishments imposed on "criminals".

[narses]

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

- Adolf Hitler, 1941.

OK, now that you have tried to directly link your anti-catholicism and Hitler together, articulate carefully the Hitler views of the world that are clearly Catholic. Go ahead. Then try and link those views, assuming they exist, with Hitlers crimes against humanity. Can you? If not, tell us your point again. If you can.

[TradicalRC]

"I'm actually very conservative."-Hillary Clinton, 1993.

[narses]

"A system which criminalizes mortal sins, to be defined by the legislature, would give them extraordinary power and greatly diminish the liberty of citizens."

Like the laws of this country a short 50 years ago that almost universally criminalized sodomy, adultery and homosexuality? Are you truly comparing America of 1954 to the TALIBAN?

[timm22]

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

Hitler said a lot of things in the 40's that probably were not true. Do you really think his guiding ideology was Catholicism?

[AntiGuv]

Christianity and socialism are by no stretch of the imagination incompatible. Quite to the contrary, Christianity is an intrinsically and relentlessly socialistic creed. Perhaps you should consult your Testaments more carefully?

[Torie]

Maybe Hitler got the essential message of Catholicism wrong. Maybe you might be. Anything is possible.

[AntiGuv]

I am not anti-Catholic, so don't lie and say that I am. I have no problem with Catholicism beyond the fact that it is an fantasy. It is still far better than many, perhaps even most, other fantasies.

I already said Hitler was not a very good Christian. Most aren't. He was worse than most. About as worst as it gets, really...

[Torie]

Christianity is an intrinsically and relentlessly socialistic creed.

And then came the Calvinists, and it became more interesting. No socialists they, by and large. Ya, in their time, they were known to partake of vicious bigotry too. The point being, the Enlightenment made it all tolerable, this thread notwithstanding.

[narses]

You say:

"Christianity and socialism are by no stretch of the imagination incompatible."

The Church says:

...Christianity and Socialism are hopelessly incompatible...

See http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14062a.htm for the source and a truly erudite examination of the fallacy you proclaim so proudly.

[AntiGuv]

Heh. A lot of people made the error of not taking Hitler at his word, for whom he then went on to spectacularly demonstrate just how erroneous that was.

I can understand not wanting to claim him. He was what he was and that was what he claimed to be. Such is life.

Read Mein Kampf if you want further insight. Too bad more people didn't when it mattered.

[TradicalRC]

I got my Testaments right here. All political systems ore to one degree or another atheistic. It is no accident that the communists were ardent atheists.

For God's view of government, I highly recommenr 1Samuel chapter 8.

It is also no accident that the most zealous Christians were fiercely anti-communist and are loathe to witness any type of power grab by their own government against them.