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Lesbian pastor's backers arrested
Spokesman Review ^ | 03/18/2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/18/2004 1:05:41 PM PST by writer33

BOTHELL, Wash. - Police outside a United Methodist church arrested dozens of supporters of the Rev. Karen Dammann on Wednesday after they tried to stop a trial on whether the lesbian pastor could continue her ministry.

About 100 people protested loudly but peaceably outside Bothell United Methodist in this northeast Seattle suburb, and many tried to block church officials from entering the building. Police arrested 33 people who refused to move.

Dammann and church officials were able to get inside the building, where a jury of 13 pastors will determine whether she can remain a church minister. Three years ago, when she held a church position in Seattle, she disclosed that she was in a lesbian relationship.

Dammann, 47, is charged with "practices declared by the United Methodist Church to be incompatible to Christian teachings." Church law prohibits ordination of openly gay and lesbian people, although the church's social principles support rights and liberties for them.

She is now on leave as pastor of First United Methodist Church in Ellensburg, 95 miles east of Seattle. Last week she married her partner of nine years, Meredith Savage, in Portland, Ore., where officials began allowing gay marriages earlier this month. The couple has a 5-year-old son.

Dammann entered the suburban church without commenting to reporters. She pleaded not guilty, and in an opening statement to the jurors, her church counsel, the Rev. Bob Ward, compared the struggle of gays and lesbians to the struggle that women and minorities had in gaining rights.

The difference, he said, is that "with gays and lesbians, they are encouraged to hide, as we have adopted a policy of 'don't ask, don't tell."'

He said homosexuals are relegated to a life of "hiding and lying."

"Karen has chosen not to live the lie," Ward said.

But the Rev. James Finkbeiner, representing the church, called on the jury to find Dammann guilty of the charge of being a self-avowed, practicing homosexual. He told jurors that because Dammann disclosed her homosexuality to the bishop as well as to the entire church, that is all the proof they need to find her guilty.

"Remember that this is a judicial process and not a legislative process," Finkbeiner said. "It is not the law of the church that is on trial here."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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"Police arrested 33 people who refused to move."

I can see the police brutality to gays and lesbians cropping up now.

"Church law prohibits ordination of openly gay and lesbian people, although the church's social principles support rights and liberties for them."

So its okay to be a closet gay and lesbian pastor? That's what it sounds like. I didn't think you could John Kerry something like this, but I guess you can.

1 posted on 03/18/2004 1:05:41 PM PST by writer33
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To: writer33
And the pastor had a baby out of wedlock, then married her lesbian lover. Amazing.
2 posted on 03/18/2004 1:08:48 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Much of your pain is self-chosen. --- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: writer33
Dang. That's just a few miles from here. I could have been there with my digital camera for an FR exclusive. Oh well...
3 posted on 03/18/2004 1:09:05 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: writer33
I never understood why some of these people who want to change Christianity just don't go start their own religion or denomination.

This woman could call it the United Lezbodist Denomination.
4 posted on 03/18/2004 1:12:06 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Yep. That'd be the definition of a progressive pastor.
5 posted on 03/18/2004 1:17:52 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Eala
I just saw it and the other day I posted an article about it but nothing had been decided at that point.
6 posted on 03/18/2004 1:19:23 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I believe the baby was adopted, I don't think she had the baby herself.
7 posted on 03/18/2004 1:19:56 PM PST by RonF
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To: RonF
It's still a baby with out a married mother and father.
8 posted on 03/18/2004 1:22:36 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Much of your pain is self-chosen. --- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I never understood why some of these people who want to change Christianity just don't go start their own religion or denomination.

Because they are here to destroy what others have and not to build for anyone.

9 posted on 03/18/2004 1:27:00 PM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
You went there. I can't believe it, but you went there. Of course I'd agree with you.
10 posted on 03/18/2004 1:27:59 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
There is already a demonimation of Sodomites:

Metropolitan Community Churches

11 posted on 03/18/2004 2:16:26 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: writer33
The first question to ask the UMC is why they have women serving as pastors.
12 posted on 03/18/2004 2:20:31 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank
I'd agree. But I'm a sexist pig. I got in trouble for saying I didn't think women should be serving in combat either, but there you go.
13 posted on 03/18/2004 2:25:37 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: writer33
One reason I left a United Methodist church and now go to an independent church: the UM's are a bit too leftist for me.

I know a lot of good Bible-believing Methodists, and count them as friends. (Strange, isn't it, that both our splendid President and Hitlery claim to be Methodists?) I think some of my friends are staying to try and remain a light in a church that is going the wrong way. God bless them.

We left, though, for some other reasons...but the leftwingnuts running the administrative headquarters of the UMC weren't much reason to consider staying within the denomination.

14 posted on 03/18/2004 2:42:25 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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