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N.M. Will Secede to New Nation, Prof. Says
Diversity Alliance for a Sustainable America / Albuquerque Tribune ^ | 02/17/00 | Frank Zoretich

Posted on 03/18/2004 11:24:24 AM PST by chronotrigger

N.M. Will Secede to New Nation, Prof. Says

By Frank Zoretich

[This article appeared in the February 17, 2000 issue of the Albuquerque Tribune, and is reprinted with permission.]

Charles Truxillo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, suggests "Republica del Norte" would be a good name for a new, sovereign Hispanic nation he foresees straddling the current border between the United States and Mexico.

Truxillo predicts the creation of a Republic of the North, calling its birth within the next 80 years "an inevitability." He says the country would include all of the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado.

Stretching from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, it would also include the northern tier of current Mexican states: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas.

Its capital would probably be Los Angeles.

Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being "by any means necessary."

But in a recent interview at a coffee shop near the UNM campus, Truxillo said it was "unlikely" civil war would attend its birth.

Instead, he said, the creation of the Republic of the North will be accomplished by political process, by the "electoral pressure" of the future majority Hispanic population throughout the region rather than by violence.

"Not within the next 20 years but within 80 years," he said. "I may not live to see the Hispanic homeland, but by the end of the century my students' kids will live in it, sovereign and free."

Truxillo said it's his task to help develop a "cadre of intellectuals" to begin thinking about the practicalities of how the Republic of the North can become a reality.

In the past, of course, wars have erupted when states seceded from either parent nation including the U.S. Civil War to keep the South in the Union and, in Truxillo's quick description, "the Alamo and all that" when Texas declared itself independent of Mexico.

Truxillo said the U.S. Civil War settled the question of secession militarily but not in a legal sense. States do have the right to secede, he maintained, if as was untrue in the 1860s the rest of the country is willing to let them go.

Professors asked for comment in other departments at UNM were skeptical that politics alone would find a way to make his proposed new nation possible. But, they said, given 100 more years well, who can say for sure?

"How realistic is it? That's one of the key issues," Truxillo said. "It's not unfeasible as a premise and a realistic possibility when you consider global geopolitical trends. It could happen with the support of the U.S. government."

He listed a number of international developments that he said would have seemed "far-fetched in the 1950s," including the breakup of the Soviet Union, the breakup of Yugoslavia, the apparently imminent creation of an independent West Bank Palestinian state agreed to by Israel, and ballot-box separatist movements aimed at achieving a Quebec independent of Canada.

The "tide of history" is moving the U.S.-Mexico border region toward political autonomy, Truxillo said.

Why does he think there should be a new Hispanic republic?

It's an idea that has been suggested before. In the 1960s, during the height of Chicano activism, something similar a sovereign Hispanic homeland to be called Aztlan was proposed by Rudolfo Gonzales and others.

When Truxillo was 14, he first met Reies Lopez Tijerina, leader of a group of New Mexicans who seized the courthouse in Tierra Amarilla, the Rio Arriba county seat, in 1967. It was a protest against Spanish land grants being taken by the federal government and set aside for national forests.

In October, Truxillo was a speaker during a ceremony at UNM's Zimmerman Library honoring Tijerina when he contributed his personal archives to the library's Center for Southwest Research.

At the event attended by about 300 people, Truxillo said it was from Tijerina that he had learned "that I was a member of a people with a country that had been taken from them by war, a land that was our own by treaty."

"None of the rights of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo were fulfilled," he told Tijerina. "None of the obligations were upheld. You told us this was our country, our patria, and that we should fight for our rights, that all colonized and exploited peoples should rise up in struggle for independence.

"We will one day be a majority and reclaim our birthright by any means necessary and we shouldn't shy away."

Truxillo's tone was more scholarly during the coffee-shop interview. He said New Mexico is the first "minority-majority state" in which Hispanics and Indians and other minorities on a national level outnumber non-Hispanic whites.

(U.S. census estimates of New Mexico's 1998 population: 52 percent Hispanic, Indian, Black and Asian; 48 percent non-Hispanic white. The Hispanic population alone was estimated at 40.3 percent. The 2000 census is expected to provide more precise figures.)

Hispanics in the American Southwest "have been ruled by three empires, Spain, Mexico and the United States," Truxillo said. "Under all three systems, we have failed to achieve self-determination.

"Among native-born American Hispanics, there is the feeling that we are strangers in our own land," he continued. "We remain subordinated. We have a negative image of our own culture, created by the media. Self-loathing is a terrible form of oppression. The long history of oppression and subordination has to end. There has to be an alternative."

Truxillo, who describes himself as a Chicano, said he was born in Albuquerque. He attended public schools in Albuquerque and earned his undergraduate and graduate degrees from UNM, majoring in Latin American, borderlands and Asian history.

He was an assistant professor of history at New Mexico Highlands University from 1992 to 1997, but after being denied tenure there, he began teaching in the Chicano Studies Program at UNM where he is now a visiting professor on a year-to-year contract.

Truxillo said Hispanics who have achieved some positions of power or who are otherwise "enjoying the benefits of assimilation" are most likely to be in the vanguard of opposition to his concept of the Republic of the North.

"There will be the negative reaction, the tortured response of someone who thinks, 'Give me a break. I just want to go to Wal-Mart.' But the idea will seep into their consciousness, and cause an internal crisis, a pain of conscience, an internal dialogue as they ask themselves: 'Who am I in this system?'"

Along both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border "there is a growing fusion, a reviving of connections," Truxillo said. "Southwest Chicanos and Norteno Mexicanos are becoming one people again."

Other reactions

Several professors at the University of New Mexico and a prominent local Hispanic activist were contacted for comment on UNM Professor Charles Truxillo's concept for a new Hispanic nation called the Republic of the North.

The professors were asked in particular about Truxillo's contention that U.S. states retain the right to secede.

Truxillo said the states had that right under the Articles of Confederation of 1777, in which each state retained its own "sovereignty, freedom and independence."

He said the Articles of Confederation were not superseded in that regard by the U.S. Constitution of 1787 and added that, although the North's victory settled the question of secession militarily, it was never resolved by court ruling.

Daniel Feller,professor of history

"To say that language in the Articles of Confederation is not specifically negated and therefore still effective is a very implausible argument."

"The Constitution does supersede the Articles of Confederation it takes no notice of the articles and is not presented as bearing any relation to them. The Constitution does not declare, recognize or in any way acknowledge the right to secede."

Even if the articles were not superseded, Feller noted, their full title was "'Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.' To say on the one hand that each state remains sovereign, but on the other that the union shall be perpetual well, you've got to take the baby with the bath water."

Feller said he would "say nothing about the desirability of a separate Southwestern nation."

"But is it possible? Does a state have the right to leave? By its nature that's a political question. It's outside the realm of legalities."

"The bottom line: What's possible is what people want to be possible. If five states wanted to secede and the rest of the country wanted to let them go, it could happen."

Joseph Stewart, professor of political science

"You can't ever say it won't happen. The Supreme Court did in the Reconstruction Era say that the union was indestructible. That was Texas vs. White 1869. The Constitution looks to an indestructible union. But, obviously, the court can change its mind on those things."

Stewart also said he was "somewhat skeptical in the sense of minority politics" about a possible Republic of the North.

"It seems to me that what you're getting is more cultural homogenization. There's at least some some evidence that the Mexican-American population is becoming diffused much more broadly geographically in this country. At least in the United States, I don't see that Hispanic population becoming more distinct but in fact becoming less distinct."

Felipe Gonzales, professor of sociology and director of UNM's Southwest Hispanic Research Institute

"As a concept or theory, the idea that the Southwest could someday revert back to the descendants of former Mexicans who lived here before holds a little bit of theoretical water."

Gonzales said there is "a certain homeland undercurrent among many Hispanics in New Mexico, a lot of resentment on different levels. There was so much land ripped off, in their interpretation. The United States reneged on promises made in international treaty at some point an international body may recognize a violation of rights. And people who come in from other parts of the country are suddenly supervisory over locals who have been working here for years."

But for a Republic of the North to come into being, "there would have to be much more widespread support. Educated elites are going to have to pick up on this idea and run with it and use it as a point of confrontation if it is to succeed."

"The problem is that even with a situation like in New Mexico, where the economy is peripheral compared to the booming economy in other states, the commitment to dominant institutions is still more important than what would be needed to make people want to break away."

Juan Jose Pena, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable

"This is not a new topic."

Pena recommended a book, "Mexicanos vs. Americans: Mexicano Resistance in the Southwest," by Robert J. Rosenbaum, that reviews previous separatist movements in the region.

And Pena, who was national president president of the Partido de la Raza Unida about 20 years ago, said he'd written his own (unpublished) study of Hispanic separatist movements.

"We discussed the issue then of whether there should be a separate Chicano nation," he said. "I knew armed rebellion would never succeed - we just didn't have the firepower."

Today, he said, "there's not enough political consciousness among Mexican-Americans" to succeed in the political task of forming a separate nation.

"Right now, there's no movement capable of undertaking it. But Charles could very well be right. It could happen. There are any number of political scenarios that could make it happen. But it would take Mexican-Americans getting organized enough to do it."

"I've studied lots of civilizations. The United States is just like any other empire. It's not going to live forever. Eventually it will break down because of stresses."

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To: stop_fascism
People are not risking their lives trying to escape Mexico only to create a Northern Mexico. By and large, they want the freedom and economic opportunity for themselves and their children that are available here. Not there.

Just about the most cogent statement on the subject I've seen in a long time. Thanks.

21 posted on 03/18/2004 11:44:55 AM PST by TexasNative2000 (Can't we all just get a longneck?)
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To: chronotrigger
Charles Truxillo, ...foresees straddling the current border between the United States and Mexico.

Go straddle a burro.

22 posted on 03/18/2004 11:47:01 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: chronotrigger
Charles Truxillo is living proof that fundamentalist mullas exist in other cultures beside Muslim. Beyond reason, or below reason, or outside reason.
23 posted on 03/18/2004 11:48:07 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: chronotrigger
Some of the absolute best American citizens are those who are naturalized... they are citizens by choice, those born in the US are just citizens by accident...

unfortunately, the illegals are the second layer down from those who would be naturalized citizens, since they are either too lazy or too unskilled to go through the formal naturalization process.

24 posted on 03/18/2004 11:48:28 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: chronotrigger
The professor needs to realize the the United States is indivisible, and that secession from the Union is not permitted.
25 posted on 03/18/2004 11:50:26 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: chronotrigger
Will Willie's bimbos need passports and work permits then when Bill ("the pimp") Richardson offers them employment in the new country to get them out of the spotlight on Willie's everlasting filth and corruption?
26 posted on 03/18/2004 11:50:37 AM PST by Tacis
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To: chronotrigger
"We will one day be a majority and reclaim our birthright by any means necessary and we shouldn't shy away."

This isn't a game and it's unfortunate that most people see it that way. What happened to the soviet union -(if soviet union had lasted much longer then the Russian population would have been a minority- that's one reason why it broke up so easily, the people in Russian didn't want to be in a country where they were the minority)-, Eastern Europe, and elsewhere could very well happen here. It's not just one side (Caucasians) being biased in favor of their own interests, it's all sides. It's human nature for most people to only associate with others like themselves. Take "Free Republic" for example - conservatives who want to talk to and be with other conservatives.

It's naive to say we are somehow better or more evolved than the other peoples of the world. We are just as susceptible to ethnic tensions as others. It's best to prevent them by having a reasonable border policy than to live to the day when we start fighting and killing each other.

27 posted on 03/18/2004 11:51:06 AM PST by chronotrigger (good pick up line- "my, that's the whitest white part of the eye I've ever seen, do you floss?")
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To: chronotrigger
That's a true statement but the truth is that the MORE economically advanced states would be MUCH more likely to want to secede than the less economically advanced.

If NM and CO and CA and AZ get too many immigrants who think like Old Mexicans, then the economies of these states will lag behind the rest.

They will never leave as long as the can eat at the Washington DC buffet line on someone else's tab.

No way Jose'

28 posted on 03/18/2004 11:55:52 AM PST by keithtoo (W '04 - I'll pass on the ketchup-boy.)
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To: tm22721
New Mexico was only blue by a few hundred votes. And they magically found those votes during a recount. There were so many shenanigans going on during the last election. It was rather eye-opening for me as I, personally, was unable to vote because my voter registration was missing. Two/three weeks after the election, I received my registration card in the mail, despite the election officials saying they could not find my paperwork anywhere. (they would have received it over a month before.)
29 posted on 03/18/2004 11:57:34 AM PST by petitfour
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To: chronotrigger
People should have (and do have) the right of self determination. Succeeding at it however is difficult under present circumstances. History marches on. The USSR fell. The USA will also someday, for different reasons.
30 posted on 03/18/2004 11:59:05 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The professor needs to realize the the United States is indivisible, and that secession from the Union is not permitted.

Yes, but what if they do it anyway in 50 years? What do we do? Bomb them, take them over, nuke'm, ethnic cleansing? None of those options seem too acceptable to me. We should try to prevent it from happening rather than stopping it when it does occur. A sensible border policy (military on the border) would accomplish this.

31 posted on 03/18/2004 11:59:29 AM PST by chronotrigger (good pick up line- "my, that's the whitest white part of the eye I've ever seen, do you floss?")
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To: chronotrigger
Guess we're gonna' have to fight the "Battle of San Jacinto" all over again. REMEMBER THE ALAMO! REMEMBER GOLIAD!
32 posted on 03/18/2004 12:00:38 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: keithtoo
They will never leave as long as the can eat at the Washington DC buffet line on someone else's tab.

In 80 years, that will no longer be possible. The tit will be dry, the people will no longer pay. Bloodshed is possible.

33 posted on 03/18/2004 12:01:48 PM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: chronotrigger
I would not mind letting them have California- imagine Boxer, Pelosi, Lofgren, Waxman and Feinstein in Mexican Government- or let them try gay marriages.
34 posted on 03/18/2004 12:03:27 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The professor needs to realize the the United States is indivisible, and that secession from the Union is not permitted.

Many fight the last war. Things change even if you don't want them to. It might happen, and probably peaceably if it does.

I would advocate most states secede from the union right now if they could.

35 posted on 03/18/2004 12:06:18 PM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: chronotrigger
Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being "by any means necessary."

But in a recent interview at a coffee shop near the UNM campus, Truxillo said it was "unlikely" civil war would attend its birth.

Nope ... I think they will not like this gringos reaction when this happens.

36 posted on 03/18/2004 12:07:36 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: chronotrigger
I will have to recruit a band and offer my services to defend my former homeland from them. They will NEVER steal so much as an acre of The state of Jefferson!

For those unaware, Jefferson is the long postulated fussion of northern California & southern Oregon as a seperate state.
37 posted on 03/18/2004 12:09:29 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: chronotrigger
THANKS FOR THIS.

We shall see what happens after the end of life as we know it.

They won't have 80 years.

The global government tyranny will arise and fall before that.

Still, I have no doubt these characters are more serious now than they were 35 years ago when I was in touch with plenty of serious folks at that time.
38 posted on 03/18/2004 12:09:36 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: chronotrigger
Charles Truxillo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of New Mexico, suggests "Republica del Norte" would be a good name for a new, sovereign Hispanic nation he foresees straddling the current border between the United States and Mexico.

I gather the trick will be to do this while the Democrats are in power in the US. Won't help. It'll still be Mexican War II. Same result as Mexican War I.

39 posted on 03/18/2004 12:10:42 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: chronotrigger
What a moron. There would be a Republic of Texas again and they would reacquire NM and all the other lands they used to hold long before Texas ever joined NM and Clinton lackey--Bill Richarson in any movement.

40 posted on 03/18/2004 12:12:12 PM PST by rod1 (On the front line)
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