Black XXV: "More Than $2 Trillion!!"

It's just THE VILLAGE OF THE BANNED...filled with cases of severe arrested development,who have inflated egos,and behave like 11/12 year old on speed.No rational persons would go over there willingly.

701 posted on 04/25/2004 4:34:49 PM PDT by nopardons

To: Luis Gonzalez

I'm with you, Luis.No surprise there. LOL

702 posted on 04/25/2004 4:38:11 PM PDT by nopardons

Ummm, a gay Biker Bar??

That's Sloppy Joe's, Key West.

You calling Hemingway a homo?

703 posted on 04/26/2004 5:32:46 AM PDT by xyz123 (Sic Semper Tyrannis)

"No rational persons would go over there willingly."

Heh heh heh...now yer callin' me irrational?!

FReegards...MUD

704 posted on 04/26/2004 6:05:26 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

I would love to find the html fer Neil Young's "Farmer John"...if you could FReepMail it to me, I'd like to use it to start Black XXVI.

FReegards...MUD

705 posted on 04/26/2004 6:49:13 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: Luis Gonzalez

"My principles tell me that I can't take any action which will allow a Democrat to win the White House."

Fair enuff...I don't see where I'm doing anything that will lead to such an eventuality.

"Now, your principles may tell you that your principles are more important than the best interest of the nation, but that's you."

What a silly comment...my principles are in the best interest of the nation. A smaller, less-intrusive Federal Leviathan is what our Founders envisioned, and what our Constitution calls for...and when Dubyuh takes us further from that ultimate goal, he deserves to hear about it by those who put him in Power, which includes MOI!!

"And I think you are wrong."

However, you could be mistaken...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

706 posted on 04/26/2004 7:01:18 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

"Should Hillary lose her Senate seat AND a bid for the White House, she'll go crackers!"

If Guiliani beats the HildaBeast fer her Senate seat in '06, there will be no Hillary White House bid, IMHO. That is, she may run fer the spot, but she won't be the DemonRAT nominee. If she can't hold onto ultra-Lib'ral New York, she sure as hell ain't gonna win on the National Stage.

FReegards...MUD

707 posted on 04/26/2004 7:04:09 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: sultan88; MoJo2001; Diva Betsy Ross

"Maybe you, like myself, would enjoy it more if MUD FReeped more familiar tunes from the 60's that we all know."

When you consider all the Hendrix and Dylan I've FReeped, I've probably redone as many 60's song as any other decade...but I'll try to do more.

Plus, once I get MoJo's and DivaBetsy's tune linkage trick down pat, you'll be able to click on the original music to all the songs I post.

FReegards...MUD

708 posted on 04/26/2004 7:07:27 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

"Tom Delay!!"
(To be sung to Neil Young's "Farmer John")

Tom Delay, Why Won't YOU CUT BigGuv'ment?!! Ohahhohh...
Yer the One...to Lead the Right!! Ohahhohh...
RATS' Power We Shall Devolve...Let's Stuff DemLib'rals' talk!!
We'll make Dem Leftists' shrivel...Right's Winning in a Walk!!

Tom Delay...ohahhohh...Why Won't YOU CUT BigGuv'ment?!!
Yer the One...to Champion Rights!! Ooahhohh...

(Little guitar jammin')

Ohhahhhhohhhhh!!
Sen'tor George...boy, you are from Virginia!! Ohahhohh...
Senator...We're the Righteous Right!!
We love how Susan talks...we love yer gawl-durned snuff...
We need some leadership...RightWing's cruisin'...RATS're losing...LOSING!!

Eric C.!! Whip them RINOs from Power!! Ohahhohh...ohahhohh..
Guv'ment, son...shall be MINI-sized!!

(More guitar jammin')

Cantor, bud...Right Must Reject Big Guv'ment!!
Ohahhohh...ohahhohh...ohahhohh...
We're the Ones...We're the Shameless Right!!

FReegards...MUD

709 posted on 04/26/2004 7:09:57 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: TBP; jla; FBD

"Third-Party Threat: It's Not Just Nader!!"

"While Nader hurts the presumed Democratic nominee John Kerry, voters open to conservative third-party candidates who promote small government and criticize ballooning government budget deficits pose a significant threat to President Bush's reelection effort. Pundits have ignored the importance of the third-party swing vote, but the White House has not, working hard to head off damaging defections. Indeed, these small-government conservatives who are disenchanted with the major parties made a real mark in the 2002 elections: 2 percent or more of voters in 15 gubernatorial and US Senate elections in 2002 cast their ballots for the Libertarian Party. And candidates running as independents cleared the 2 percent mark in seven other states. Numbers like these could be a decisive factor in a close contest between Messrs. Bush and Kerry. Third-party candidates will have their greatest impact in critical battleground states in this year's presidential election."

Dubyuh's gotta move to the Right on domestic spending to keep from losing folks...MUD

710 posted on 04/26/2004 7:21:23 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: Mudboy Slim; Landru; sultan88; jla; MeekOneGOP; joanie-f

Not all is BAD news, coming out of the Muslim/Arab world.
Some are actually discussing democracy, and it's because of our actions in Iraq, I believe. Check this out:

"THE SCENT OF DEMOCRACY"

By AMIR TAHERI
NYPost

April 25, 2004 -- WHILE a section of the Western media continues to predict an "explosion of the Arab street," it is possible that Arab, and Muslim politics in general, may be seeking other, more institutionalized, forms of expression.
Starting this year, the Muslim world has witnessed a string of conferences, all devoted to the issue of democratization.

Some of these conferences - e.g., in Kuala Lampur, Malaysia; in Istanbul; in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa; in Alexandria, Egypt - have come out with clear statements that democratic reform is the only way out for Muslim nations caught in "an historic quagmire." The issue will be at the center of another conference next month in Jordan held under the auspices of the World Economic Forum.

This is not the first time that Muslims have identified democracy as a panacea for their political, social and cultural ills. Many such conferences were held in the 19th and 20th centuries, which witnessed the short-lived victory of democratic forces in both Turkey and Iran.

But by the mid-1950s, there were hardly any genuine democrats in the Muslim world. The intellectual and political life in most Muslim countries was dominated either by Marxist or other advocates of leftist totalitarianism or by conservative religious forces. In the 1960s and '70s, the left (including its nationalist version) was in the ascendancy in most Muslim countries. From the late '70s onward, Islamism, in its different versions, emerged as the dominant political force, especially in the Middle East and North Africa.

Yet the speedy collapse of the Taliban in Kabul and of the Ba'ath in Baghdad opened a new chapter in which advocates of democratization may have an opportunity to address the broader audiences at least in some Muslim countries.

The Iraqi Ba'ath represented the most radical version in the Muslim world of leftist nationalism, inspired by both Nazism and Communism. If anybody could have created the Arab nationalist Utopia, it was Saddam Hussein. But he ended up in a hole near Tikrit. And the Taliban represented the ultimate "must" in Islamism: No one could claim to be more Islamist than Mullah Muhammad Omar. But he, too, ended up hiding in a hole (in Arzangan).

One question that is seldom asked is: Why did the Muslim world witness the demise of the Taliban and the Iraqi Ba'ath with indifference verging on disdain? To be sure, many Muslims felt humiliated because the two beastly regimes were overthrown by non-Muslim powers, not by liberating forces from within Islam. But there is no sign that any substantial body of opinion within the Muslim world regrets the collapse of the Taliban and the Ba'ath.

What interests a growing number of Muslims is to find out why were the Taliban and the Ba'ath such easy pushovers.

A few persist in asserting that neither stood any chance against the might of the world's only superpower. This may well be true, but does not answer another important question: Why did the Taliban and the Ba'ath lead their nations into conflict in the first place?

Others argue that the Taliban and the Ba'ath were programmed to run into conflict with the Western world because of policies that excluded the Afghan and Iraqi peoples from the decision-making process while making conflict with the West inevitable. Both collapses showed that, contrary to claims by some "Islamologists," the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not love despots and are not prepared to fight for them.

This was made clear in recent conferences of Muslim democrats in Istanbul and Alexandria. In each case, the subtext was that democracies can't be led into deadly conflict without majority consent. We know that no such consent was given or even sought in either Afghanistan or Iraq.

There is a growing sentiment in the Muslim world that their political systems have reached a dead end, with some form of democratization as the only way out. The old debate on whether Islam is compatible with democracy is hardly engaged these days. The issue now is the necessity of democracy for Muslims rather than its compatibility with Islam. Even the most conservative of Muslim regimes are now committed to the creation of elected organs of government.

There is, of course, no guarantee that such elections will not be "fixed" to prolong the domination of the existing ruling elites at least in the short-run. Nor could anyone be sure that some power-sharing at the formal political level will necessarily broaden the base of regimes that use complex networks of business interests, economic tools and security services to perpetuate their domination.

Nevertheless, it is refreshing that, for the first time in more than half a century, the political discourse in the world of Islam is increasingly dominated by the democratic lexicon. It is interesting to see turbaned mullahs discussing Locke and Tocqueville in TV talk-shows beamed from "holy" cities. And to hear military dictators donning the habit of champions of democracy is more than just amusing.

Even in the most closed Muslim societies, words and phrases that denote democratization are being heard, and read: elections, opening, dialogue, participation, consent, pluralism, separation of powers, rule of law, due process, free enterprise, civil society, good governance, human rights, gender equality, accountability and transparency.

Cynics might suggest that all this is nothing but the compliment that vice pays to virtue. The ruling elites may be using all this talk of democracy as a tactic to weather the storm created by the events in Afghanistan and Iraq, and then revert to their well-tested methods of rule by violence and bribery.

But cynics are often wrong. A change of mainstream discourse is a necessary prelude to structural political reform. Peer pressure and the force of example are likely to be important instruments in furthering the cause of democratization in the Muslim world, especially as far as the laggards are concerned.

Some Muslim countries are already building viable democracies, while others have launched a process of reform that cannot be reversed at will.

A collective Muslim commitment to reform - especially in difficult areas such as the status of women and the place of the shariah (Islamic law) in the legal system - will enable the regimes that still fear a backlash from domestic reactionary sources to place change in the broader context of the Islamic family.

The rest of the world can help not by dictating the rhythm and tempo of reform, let alone its details, but by supporting those Muslim regimes that show a genuine commitment to change - while ostracizing those that do not.

Muslim politics limited to palaces, barracks, mosques and streets has led to what must be regarded as the most glaring collective failure for any group of nations in history. It is, perhaps, time to envisage other institutions - notably political parties, parliaments and law courts - as the focal points of political life in the Muslim world.

711 posted on 04/26/2004 7:43:14 AM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)

"Starting this year, the Muslim world has witnessed a string of conferences, all devoted to the issue of democratization. Some of these conferences - e.g., in Kuala Lampur, Malaysia; in Istanbul; in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa; in Alexandria, Egypt - have come out with clear statements that democratic reform is the only way out for Muslim nations caught in "an historic quagmire." The issue will be at the center of another conference next month in Jordan held under the auspices of the World Economic Forum."

This is EXCELLENT NEWS...not only fer the MidEast, but for the world as a whole. No democracy has EVER attacked another democracy in the history of the world.

FReegards...MUD

712 posted on 04/26/2004 7:47:06 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

"A Farewell to Sleaze!!"
(To be sung to Rush's "A Farewell to Kings")

When they write the pages of history...
And Clinton's Crimes have long been exposed,
Will they write of US with disgust...
For the deeds that we let go?!!

We turned our gaze from vile scandals by the Clintons...
Eyes cast down on the path of least resistance!!
Lib'rals full of Hatred, Fear, and LIES!!!
DemonRATS are FOOLS to ignore Slick's Spies!!
Treas'nous Demons cloaked in White House guise...
Trashin' all our liberties, while abortin' Unborn lives!!

The DemonRATS are slandering the Sacred Halls of Truth...
Public Schools unburdening their bitterness on Youth!!
Can't we heed the Laws that made US strong?!!
Ohhh, can't we learn to tell what's Right from what's Wrong?!!
WHAT'S WRONG?!!

Lib'rals full of Hatred, Fear, and LIES!!!
Socialists protectin' Chi-Com SPIES!!
TeeVee Demons fawning 'bout their guys...
Slayin' all that's True and Good, while scoffin' at The Wise!!
Woah...Can't we raise OUR Voice and make a start?!!
Can't we find the Will to blast Slick's Stonewall apart?!!

Mudboy Slim (9 July 1998)

713 posted on 04/26/2004 7:51:39 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: conservativemusician; Happygal; goldilucky; FreeTheHostages; Dukie

"Slick Willie's Bombed!!"
(To be sung to BB King's "The Thrill is Gone")

The thrill is gone,
Slick Willie's gone away!!
Yes, Bill is gone, Lib'rals,
Slick Murdered Ron Brown, he did!!
You Know Slick's Done US Wrong, Nation,
And it's High Time Slick Willie Paid!!

Yes, Bill, yer done,
Punk ain't gettin' 'way from me,
Right AIN'T Movin' On, Willie,
Yer shrill Medyuh can't help ya stay FRee!!
Although, RATS'll still live on,
It'll be without Slick Willie!!

Yes, Willie's Bombed...
Bill Clinton, he ain't no good!!
Oh, yes Bill has bombed babies,
Says killin' kids is good,
Someday, Slick knows chicks'll shun Slick charms, Ladies...
Just like all Righteous Men do!!

You know I FReep...FReepin' YOU, Willie!!
Right's FRee from yer spell,
Bill, we'll FReep...FReep Fer Justice!!
Right'll FReep you, RapistBill!!
Boy, you know that it's all over,
Slick, I'm gonna FReep you straight to Hell!!

Heh heh heh...Mudboy Slim (1/06/2003)

714 posted on 04/26/2004 8:18:22 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

To: Mudboy Slim; nopardons

"...I don't see where I'm doing anything that will lead to such an eventuality."

"Otherwise, I'm voting Constitution Party!"

A house divided cannot stand Mud, a vote cast for The Constitution Party will help elect Kerry.

That's the absolute truth, you don't like that truth?

It doesn't make it any less the truth.

715 posted on 04/26/2004 8:29:18 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)

To: Mudboy Slim; nopardons

"What a silly comment...my principles are in the best interest of the nation. A smaller, less-intrusive Federal Leviathan is what our Founders envisioned, and what our Constitution calls for...and when Dubyuh takes us further from that ultimate goal, he deserves to hear about it by those who put him in Power, which includes MOI!"

You should have listened to what he said during his campaign, if you expected something other than what he said, and voted hoping that in spite of the fact that he had not promised fiscal constraint, he would exhibit fiscal constraint, then you were wrong, if you voted for him with the expectation that he would reduce the size of the Federal Government, when he did not say that he would reduce the size of the Federal government, then you are wrong in expecting that.

Here's something for you: if reducing the size of the Federal government, and exhibiting Fiscal constraints are the most important traits in a President, then William Jefferson Clinton was your man.

This November either Bush or Kerry will be elected to the presidency...either stand united or fall divided.

Your choice.

716 posted on 04/26/2004 8:39:55 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)

To: Luis Gonzalez

"A house divided cannot stand Mud, a vote cast for The Constitution Party will help elect Kerry."

I'm united in any effort to DEFEAT HANOI JOHN in November...I just don't think Dubyuh's earned MY vote due to his unwillingness to cut back on domestic spending. In Ol' Virginny, where we've blessed the GOP nominee with our votes every four years since 1964 (LBJ), I've got that luxury. I'm already on record as saying I'd vote fer Dubyuh if mine was the tie-breaking vote, but that ain't the case here.

FReegards...MUD

BTW...my presidential voting record since I've been eligible is Reagan/Bush/Bush/Dole/Bush, so I'm not coming to this decision lightly.

717 posted on 04/26/2004 8:43:55 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

Fine Mud...but 535 votes elected Bush over Gore.

One more thing...when did Bush day that he was going to cut back on domestic spending?

And what are you using as a benchmark?

Clinton's spending?

Here's an an analogy:

I have a car, I've never changed the oil, rotated the tires, replaced the brake pads, or tuned it. I am exhibiting fiscal constraint the same way that Clinton exhibited fiscal constraint. Now, I sell you my car, and you immediately have to buy a set of tires, get a brake job done, give it a tune up, or maybe even replace the engine that seized because of the lack of oil.

If you simply look at what monies I spent, versus what monies you spent...you appear to be a fiscal disaster.

718 posted on 04/26/2004 9:19:04 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)

"This is EXCELLENT NEWS...not only fer the MidEast, but for the world as a whole."

Ditto!

FReegards

719 posted on 04/26/2004 9:24:48 AM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)

To: Luis Gonzalez

"...when did Bush day that he was going to cut back on domestic spending?"

The same time he said he'd liberate Afghanistan and Iraq in his '00 Campaign...fact is, liberating people in foreign lands is good policy, and so is liberating the American taxpayer from an over-sized and over-intrusive Federal Leviathan. I thought all Conservatives agreed on this point, even the Compassionate ones.

FReegards...MUD

720 posted on 04/26/2004 10:40:46 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)

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