MUSLIMS' OMINOUS WARNING TO FRANCE

New York Post ^ | 3/17/04 | ANDY SOLTIS

[kattracks]

March 17, 2004 -- France is investigating terrorist threats from a shadowy Muslim group vowing to retaliate for a national ban on wearing headscarves in schools, officials said yesterday.

France's interior ministry said it was taking seriously a letter, sent to several newspapers, that vowed "to plunge France into terror and remorse and spill blood outside its frontiers."

[Ann Archy]

Get a grip! No one is hoping that France gets bombed...no one. BUT we are mad as hell that your precious wussy leaders didn't help us and actually sided with the mass murderer, Saddam, against us!!

IF the shoe were on the other foot, and you were bombed and we not only DIDN'T help, but we sided and made deals with the bombers, just how would you be feeling about us????

Can't you understand that our nerves are raw....we are in a fight for CIVILIZATION and your leaders worked AGAINST us and sided with the BARBARIANS!!

You need to start writing your newspapers and officials to make them see the light!

We areNOT your enemy, but you are not our friends either.

[CJ Wolf]

Well said indeed. France and much of the world is mistaken if they think it's only about Iraq, You serve in Afghanistan as well under the UN. The terrorist want the UN disbanded and everyone out of Afghanistan and all "Islamic Lands" in which they include Spain as well.

on a personal note, How do you feel about your govt. lying to you about the threat and trying to pay off the terrorists?

[etabeta]

well said.

[ThirstyMan]

I do not think people are really thinking things through, and are forgetting certain aspects of human nature.

My friend, as you note, the condition of the human nature is exactly the problem! When anyone assumes a secular humanistic worldview they seek solutions to all of man's problems by education and understanding.

We hear so much of that!
The great needs that drive people to kil and murder are falsely assumed to be pliant to education and understanding, they supposedly can be dealt with if we all just educate the criminals and help them understand the problems better.

THAT is our problem!
Our human nature is sinful and corrupt and the only known cure for its desires is available, it was accomplished for us on the cross of Calvary. That kind of thinking, however objectionable to the secularists, has given birth to a Nation of moral folk who have an eye toward creating a better world through God's help.

Where are we heading now?
Without God as a part of the solution we are blindly heading toward the proverbial ditch where so many of similar folly have ended up, "thinking they were becoming wise, they become fools."

Nobody escapes this destination without God's help...nobody!

It's only cured when they/we see their/our own corruption and put their/our faith in God, not in the false goodness of man.

God knows we are presently involved in a culture war for the soul of America and that's why the stakes are so high and the battle between the forces are so vicious. The demons want an end to America's pre-eminence as a moral beacon of Light. Fools continue to think we can be a beacon of light without God.

[Nataku X]

I have a friend who was recently evicted from his home. He had been living with his grandmother, never had a job in his life, and played games all day long. His grandmother became terminally ill, he had plenty of ahead warnings to go and find a job because soon his grandmother would die and her social security would run out. His grandmother lay dying for about an year. When she finally died he had 3 months to go find a job, pay rent. He didn't. He got evicted. Should also mention that all he needed to make the same amount of money his grandma pulled in was to work 20 hours a week at minimum wage.

I cheered when he got evicted. Why? He brought it upon himself. It was the ONLY way he could understand that he needed to make an actual living. He had many months of warning and he still didn't heed them. Now he is in danger of being homeless.

Spain blames their 200 deaths on the United States and on Bush. Bush lied to them, therefore, they were forced to go to Iraq, and therefore, the Muslims understandably bombed 200 of them.

Europe has justified and rationalized away all their deaths, and the only way they will understand that it is Muslims who are the enemy and not Bush, is if Muslims attempt to attack a place where they are welcomed and where Bush is hated such as France. They hardened themselves to that extent, like my friend hardened himself such that it required a tragedy to force him to face reality. I do not want France to be hurt, I do not want innocents to be killed... nobody does...

I am sorry if this is offensive to you but I hope you can understand why people make statements like "I hope they get bombed". It is not out of revenge or cruelty but rather a feeling that it is the only way that Europe will face reality and the only way that Europe will finally stand strong, with America, against the Middle East.

[kaylar]

True enough. Actually, there were quite a number of Europeans back then who thought crime prevention and punishment wasn't strict enough : "Justice among us should be like it is among the Turkes" was supposedly a cant phrase throughout 17th century Christendom.

[Atlantic Friend]

Trust me, I get a grip, AnnArchy...That's why you won't read me saying "Oh well, they asked for it", and "Oh, I can't help but feel good at the thought of bombs going off in the USA/Spain/France, I hope they go off real soon", or "Oh, they're a nation of wussies/nobodies/imperialists anyway, so who cares ?". If some think terrorism abroad makes for good TV and funny jokes, so be it, but don't ask for my comprehension.

Believe me, I deeply understand how raw your nerves are, because mine are too. I despise terrorists. I loathe what they do and the way they hide their cowardice behind religious or patriotic colors. I hate the fact they feel they can strike in Washington, Madrid, Paris, Tel Aviv or New York. I hate the fact they think they've got any right to decide how we should live in our own land. Right here on FR I read a thread about how Palestinian terrorists tries to turn a 6-year kid into a living bomb, and it made my blood boil.

See, I'm rather basic. I can understand when people say : WE are not your friends, but we are not your friends either. The problem is when the same people add : oh, and by the way, either YOU are with us 100% or YOU are 100% our enemy. I like people to play by the same rules.

Trust me, AnnArchy, if wussy European government leaders really sided with your enemies, you would know it. We could just withdraw our troops in Afghanistan. We don't. We could tell our intelligence agencies to stonewall any inquiry from the US. We don't. We could play an UN resolution condemning the US presence in the Middle-East. We don't.

Oh, we certainly don't do as much as we should. And we certainly aren't taking the road I would have chosen, and I hold my government responsible for that. Just for the record, I would have wanted full cooperation in the UN Security Council, and 10,000 troops going into Iraq. Right now I still want 10,000 French troops into Iraq, so the pacifying and rebuilding job can be done quicker and safer for everyone.

[Atlantic Friend]

I'm sorry, but I think the idea of justifying and "explaining away" the future killing of innocent people is most offensive, as were the loonies who said American Imperialism justified 9/11. Or those stupid bastards to whom the Jewish influence in European finance or politics justified the Holocaust.

As Margaret Thatcher once put it, terrorism cannot be given any justification, because crime is crime is crime. I really don't feel the need to give heart to future terrorists with "the victims brought it upon themselves" comments.

As for Spain or Europe, I haven't heard people saying they had been bombed or were about to be because of President Bush. If you have any element indicating the contrary, please send me a link to the European newspaper that publishes such fallacious lies.

[Atlantic Friend]

Is your personal question related to the threats made by the mysterious AZF group ten days ago ?

[Gorzaloon]

Where are we heading now? Without God as a part of the solution we are blindly heading toward the proverbial ditch where so many of similar folly have ended up, "thinking they were becoming wise, they become fools."

And others create a perverted "god", not recognizing who it really is, and follow it just as sincerely. At least Satanists do it with their eyes open, without trying to repackage it as "The Compassionate, the Merciful".

[CJ Wolf]

Yes it is.

[null and void]

This time? Maybe not...

[Nataku X]

If my conception of Europe is wrong, I apologize and I withdraw my statements. However the picture I am getting from my very liberal friends and the media is that the majority of Europe agrees with the "We/Bush brought it upon themselves" sentiment presented here. Evening news are full of pictures and full of figureheads blaming Bush's Iraq policies for Spain's tragedy, not full of Europeans who blame terrorism on Muslims.

[armymarinedad]

Well said. What started out as a little good natured ribbing of the French has turned ugly. I wish everyone would just cool down and realize from your posts that their are conservatives in France who feel the same way we do. Just remind folks a lot of American fliers during WW2 thought the French Underground was very brave helping them get out of enemy territory and back to England. By the way thanks for your help in the Stan. We appreciate the French Troops there.

[Atlantic Friend]

Well, I think it's rather logical to maintain contact, since it forces them to appear in full daylight (and make better targets). Isn't it a rather standard procedure, when you think the bad guys are serious, to negotiate for some time until you're ready to waste them ?

What would really piss me off would be if my government really intended to pay and leave the guys alone - which I sincerely doubt, since it'd just invite further blackmail. So if the guys think they'll get the money, and stay none the wiser, then it's fine by me. I remember one Carlos guy who thought that after ten years on the run he was safe - only to get canned and hauled in Paris for a quick trial. Sometimes we do the right thing.

As for my government lying, well, what govt doesn't ?

[Wurlitzer]

As we are learning or have learned, France had 100,000,000,000 reasons for siding with Iraq. $100 Billion in oil contracts. For $100 Billion it would seem France would side with the devil.

[Atlantic Friend]

Thanks. I know our contribution in Afghanistan (and of course in Iraq) is not what it should be, and I resent that. But I for one would be real glad if our troops there caught OBL for you. What would make my day even better is if the rat was nailed down by a joint US-French operation. A little La Fayette spirit is just what we need now.

[gipper81]

As for Spain or Europe, I haven't heard people saying they had been bombed or were about to be because of President Bush.

Dean ties Madrid bombing to Iraq

[CJ Wolf]

"A little La Fayette spirit is just what we need now."

Indeed! We would welcome some La Fayette spirit over here.

'As for my government lying, well, what govt doesn't ?'

Touche'! ;-)

[Atlantic Friend]

You see, I don't say your conception is wrong. I just say in these harsh times our media concentrate on what they think will please us or make us tick. So the French media has fed us articles explaining how our leaders understood the world better than yours, and maybe US media focus on what divides us instead of what brings us together.

They're just pushing our national buttons, with some success. It's all too easy : they distort a fact, or alter a quote, or concentrate on the negative side to fit their prejudice, or, worse, what they think our prejudices are. It's like a transcription of President Bush's speeches by Le Monde. They will quote him correctly, but out of context. Or, if he says a positive thing and two critics about France, we'll have either the compliments or the critics, but not both.

That's why I cherish FR. Here we're face to face - as regards our opinions - and we can learn from each other if we so choose. Very often I don't agree with an article posted, but since I try to be intellectually honest I seriously think about it and debate it with you. My biggest hope is that such citizen-to-citizen dialog will help us getting rid of our actual misunderstandings.