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Pharmacist faces complaint over failure to dispense birth control
Janesville (WI) Gazette ^ | Tuesday, March 16, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/16/2004 10:33:27 AM PST by Chummy

Pharmacist faces complaint over failure to dispense birth control

(Published Tuesday, March 16, 2004 09:10:04 AM CST)

Associated Press

MADISON, Wis. -- The state Department of Regulation and Licensing has filed a complaint against a pharmacist who refused to fill a woman's birth control prescription because of his religious beliefs.

The complaint against Neil Noesen was filed with the Wisconsin Examining Board over an incident that happened in the summer of 2002.

It said Noesen, 30, was working as a fill-in pharmacist at the K-Mart Pharmacy in Menomonie and had told the managing pharmacist he wouldn't fill prescriptions for contraceptives that would cause what he believed to be an abortion. The managing pharmacist had apparently said he would fill such prescriptions when he was in.

But Noesen was the only pharmacist on duty on the weekend when the young woman came in to refill her prescription for birth control pills.

According to the complaint:

Noesen asked the woman whether she was using the drug for birth control. When she said yes, he told her he wouldn't fill it.

She asked him where she could go to have the prescription filled, "but because of his personal religious objections, (he) refused to provide (her) with that information."

Later that day, she went to a Wal-Mart Pharmacy for the refill. When the Wal-Mart pharmacist called Noesen to transfer the prescription, Noesen refused and said it was against his religious beliefs to do so.

The woman returned to the K-Mart with two police officers, but Noesen still refused, and police took no action.

The managing pharmacist refilled the prescription when he returned to work that Monday.

Department of Regulation and Licensing spokesman Christopher Klein said Noesen has 20 days to respond to the complaint, which was filed Friday.

Noesen was out of town and could not be reached for comment Monday.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: abortion; birthcontrol; catholiclist; choice; christianlist; complaint; licensing; life; menomonie; pharmacist; pharmacy; prescription; regulation; wisconsin
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1 posted on 03/16/2004 10:33:28 AM PST by Chummy
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To: Chummy
This is a sticky one. He doesn't have to fill her prescription, and he doesn't have to recommend someone else who will. But, I don't believe he has any right to keep her prescription and not transfer it.

2 posted on 03/16/2004 10:40:42 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
This guy should be fired and lose his license - no question.
3 posted on 03/16/2004 10:45:52 AM PST by mgstarr
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To: mgstarr
Why? Fire, maybe - if he has a history of this and it disagrees with the policies of his employer. But license? This is not a licensing issue.
4 posted on 03/16/2004 10:49:00 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
Not transferring a valid prescription should warrant losing his license to be a pharmacist.
5 posted on 03/16/2004 10:51:31 AM PST by mgstarr
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To: mgstarr
This guy should be fired

That should be up to his employer.

and lose his license - no question.

Government has no business sticking its nose in this.

6 posted on 03/16/2004 10:51:53 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: mgstarr
Not transferring a valid prescription should warrant losing his license to be a pharmacist.

Who does the pharmacist work for - KMart or the government?

7 posted on 03/16/2004 10:54:12 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: Chummy
If he didn't want to fill prescriptions for drugs that may conflict with his religious beliefs then why did he become a pharmacist in the first place??
8 posted on 03/16/2004 10:54:50 AM PST by retrokitten (Made with elfin magic!)
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To: greatvikingone
This is NOT a licensing issue??????????

An M.D. instructed she be given the medication, and he refused to follow the M.D.'s instructions.

What if you were in a hospital, and your M.D. instructed a nurse to do a procedure on you, and the nurse refused, for whatever reason,,,.

Keep in mind that this scenario is not as far fetched as it seems. Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions for themselves, maybe some over zealous J. W. would also refuse to do one on YOU!
9 posted on 03/16/2004 10:55:34 AM PST by RonHolzwarth
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To: freeeee
Pharmacists hold state-issued licenses and this guy has no business practicing if he refuses to live up to the terms of that license.

10 posted on 03/16/2004 10:56:03 AM PST by mgstarr
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To: RonHolzwarth
This is not licensing issue because he has a right to not fill prescriptions for abortofacients. This is an employment issue because he obstructed her from taking her prescription elsewhere.

FYI - pharmacists do not kowtow to prescriptions just because they are made. They are not simply educated people filling bottles with drugs. A pharmacist holds life and death in his hands and is allowed to make decisions regarding the filling of people's prescriptions.
11 posted on 03/16/2004 11:02:05 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Chummy
I don't have a problem with the guy not filling the prescription himself. However, he has NO right to refuse to transfer the prescription. NONE. And where were the other KMart pharmacists???

A few weeks ago, I was ticked off about Eckerd's firing a pharmacist (or pharmacists) who refused to fill a morning after pill prescription. After further education, provided here on FR and elsewhere, I was baffled by the whole thing. The morning after pill is a birth control pill. It is not part of the RU-486 pill combo.

On more than one occasion, my father refused to fill prescriptions. He called the doctor(s) involved and explained to them why Patient X should not have certain dosages or certain medications. Oops. The doctor(s) would then write another prescription to fix their mistake(s). There is a certain amount of teamwork involved in patient care. When you take different meds, you should stick with one pharmacy/pharmacist if you can. If your pharmacist knows you, he/she is much more likely to watch out for you and yours because he is familiar with your medical situation/history.
12 posted on 03/16/2004 11:09:40 AM PST by petitfour
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To: mgstarr
Pharmacists hold state-issued licenses

That's the root of the problem. Government originally claimed licenses were necessary to prevent charletans from selling snake oil. Predictibly, mission creep has taken hold and now every pharmacist is beholden to the state's every whim.

Free people do not need priviledges granted to them by their masters to earn a living. It is every free man's birthright to earn his way in this world by offering his services to others. And it is the market that will determine whether his services are desired. If the market decides pharmacies/pharmacists who will not fill contraceptive prescriptions are unaccaptable, they will not patronize him and he will be fired in effect by his customers.

As for the quality control issue that government used to sneak its camel nose under the tent, independent standards/endorsements can and should be used similar to UL approval for electrical products.

13 posted on 03/16/2004 11:13:13 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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14 posted on 03/16/2004 11:15:10 AM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: greatvikingone
How is preventing her from taking a valid prescription elsewhere NOT a licensing issue? That's absurd.

The man does not have an inherant right to the pharmacy license - it is a contract. If he willingly violates the terms of the contract, he should lose the license.

Based on your logic, would a hardcore Christian Science pharmacist be allowed to keep his license if he prevented you from getting any prescription at all?
15 posted on 03/16/2004 11:16:32 AM PST by mgstarr
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To: greatvikingone; free; mgstarr; retrokitten; RonHolzwarth; Chummy; petitfour
This is a sticky one. He doesn't have to fill her prescription, and he doesn't have to recommend someone else who will. But, I don't believe he has any right to keep her prescription and not transfer it. ---Greatvikingone

For me it couldn't be more clearcut. He deserves at the very least to face disciplinary action from whatever board oversees pharmacists, and his employer seriously needs to consider whether or not his employment should continue. He did not act in a professional manner, and definitely not in a way expected of a person in his profession. Moreover he opened himself, and more importantly his employer, to potential litigation. And 'moral issue' or not, he had no right to refuse to transfer the prescription. He did not only refuse to do his job in meeting the legitimate needs of the customer, but on top of that refused the customer to meet her needs anywhere else!

Government has no business sticking its nose in this. ----Freeee

And as for the issue of the government getting involved. Well, it should in this case! Why? Because pharmacists are subject to the state Dep. of Regulation and Licensing, and Wisconsin has a stake in ensuring that its pharmacists conduct themselves in a manner befitting their station. In the same way the medical board or the bar association would step in if a doctor or a lawyer, respectively, did something that did not fit with established protocol. This is not 'big guvumin' trying to meddle with things. The state dep. for regulation and licensing ensures that when you go to pick up a prescription that the pharmacist does not act in an improper manner. For example to ensure that when you go there you do not meet a person who, due to his personal religious beliefs, believes that you should not take medicine for things like pain, rheumatism, asthma, etc ....that instead all you need to do is pray and be healed. Or someone who thinks that the medicine the doctor prescribed is not the one you should be taking but something else. Or someone who feels he has the right to refuse to give the prescription, and then refuses to transfer it. Not all government regulations are bad, and this one is one of them.

Anyways the guy deserves to be investigated by the Wisonsin Examining Board for certain, and they need to apply some disciplinary action on him (partly for refusing to accept a legit prescription, but more importantly for refusing to transfer it). And his employer needs to think whether he should continue working there ....he opens them up to litigation. People have been sued for much less. And if he thinks he cannot fulfill his obligations fully then he needs to find something else to do.

In the same way if a mail delivery person felt that delivering smut magazines in the mail was anathema, and he decided to withhold them and dispose of them, then he would be way out of line (and i believe facing serious prosecution for mesisng with mail). If he didn't feel he could deliver any legitimate mail that came up then he needs to be doing something else.

Free people do not need priviledges granted to them by their masters to earn a living. It is every free man's birthright to earn his way in this world by offering his services to others. And it is the market that will determine whether his services are desired. ----Freeee

You can't be serious! I guess then that Crack Cocaine is ok. After all people do not need 'priviledges granted to them by their masters' to earn a living, it is every 'free man's birthright to earn his way in this world by offering his services to others,' and there is definitely a huge market for crack so the market has determined his 'services are desired!' Come on! And anyways, the government licensing thing is not to stop 'every free man' from excersing his 'birthright!' It is to ensure that when you go to get a prescription you do not meet Joe Blow pharmacist from hell who tries to sell you the most expensive drug in the store that has nothing to do with what is ailing you. Or from Jane Doe doctor to Usama who tries to take you for surgery when all you need is an apple a day and a good night's sleep. It is to prevent quacks from running things in medical Dodge!

If the 'guvermin' starts to tell doctors to prescribe tylenol only and no asprin then wake me up. If it is ensuring weird pharmacists don't withhold prescriptions then i am fine with it.

Something tells me that the same people who are saying what this guy did was not wrong would be screaming to high heaven if he refused a 10yr old girl Asthma prescription because last Sunday his spiritual mentor told him prayer is all is needed.

16 posted on 03/16/2004 11:38:53 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: freeee; free
The post above was meant for you Freee. Sorry for including you Free, your moniker was kind of close to Freee's.

Post no. 16.

17 posted on 03/16/2004 11:42:02 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: mgstarr
It is not a life or death issue. We can't start revoking medical professional licenses just because people are inconvenienced.

What if the patient was a known drug seeker. The pharmacist knows this because the guy has been in too many times but the doctor didn't know or didn't care.

For the pharmacist, this case is a matter of life and death. He believes a child's life is at stake. He has a right to "cause no harm" and maintain his livelihood.
18 posted on 03/16/2004 11:45:36 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
I don't know the specifics of Wisconsin law, but in most states which have "conscience" provision allowing pharmacists to decline to fill prescriptions that violate their religious beliefs, the pharmacists ARE legally required to refer the customer to a pharmacist who will.
19 posted on 03/16/2004 11:57:49 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: spetznaz
Asthma medicine is not included in the conscientious pharmacist laws. These laws usually include abortofacients and medicines used for euthanasia.
20 posted on 03/16/2004 12:00:17 PM PST by greatvikingone
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