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Kerry rejects claims that he was a coward
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| 14 Mar 2004
| KIM MUNRO
Posted on 03/15/2004 8:38:36 AM PST by optimistically_conservative
US SENATOR John Kerry last night fought off accusations he was a coward and had made strategic mistakes in battle during the Vietnam War.
The Democratic challenger for the White House was embroiled in fresh controversy after one of his former crew members accused him of being someone "who ran from the enemy".
It was reported last night that Steven Gardner, a gunners mate on the first patrol boat commanded by Kerry in the Mekong Delta, contradicts accounts of the senators military career that depict him as a brave and aggressive lieutenant who won three Purple Hearts, which are a key element of his campaign against George Bush.
He personally killed a Viet Cong fighter in one action and was wounded three times, though not seriously.
However, in an interview with the Boston Globe, which contacted him about the presidential candidate, Gardner claimed:
"He [Kerry] absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him.
"He wouldnt go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry.
"His initial patterns of behaviour when I met him and served under him were of somebody who ran from the enemy, rather than engaged it."
Gardner also claimed that in an incident in 1968 in which he was slightly wounded, causing Kerry to abort the boats mission, he said: "Lt Kerry, Im fine, nothings wrong. I got a little flesh wound here.
"But Kerry was already backing out of the canal, getting ready to run for it."
Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are staunch supporters of their former comrades White House bid.
However, Kerry has described his the former crewmans version of events as "made-up".
"Its sad," he told his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, "but thats the way it goes in war, and especially in politics."
Gardners portrayal of a timid Kerry are at odds with the accounts of other crew members.
John Hurley, the national director of the Vietnam Veterans for Kerry, said: "John was shocked by this. They all think hes way off base."
TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
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To: optimistically_conservative
Kerry ran from the enemy, claims former Vietnam crewman of Democrat candidate
By Julian Coman in Washington
(Filed: 14/03/2004)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/14/wus14.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/14/ixnewstop.html John Kerry, the Democratic challenger for the White House, is embroiled in fresh controversy over his much-vaunted Vietnam war record, after one of his crew members accused him of cowardice and making strategic mistakes in battle.
The testimony of Steven Gardner, a gunner's mate on the first patrol boat commanded by Mr Kerry in the Mekong delta, contradicts accounts of the senator's military career that depict him as a brave and aggressive lieutenant who won three Purple Hearts and which are a key element of his campaign against George Bush.
"He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him," Mr Gardner said in an interview with the Boston Globe, which contacted him about the presidential candidate. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry.
"His initial patterns of behaviour when I met him and served under him were of somebody who ran from the enemy, rather than engaged it."
Mr Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are passionately supporters of their former comrade's White House bid.
His portrayal of a timid Lt Kerry is at odds with the accounts of other crew members, and Sen Kerry is said to be "angry" about the slur.
John Hurley, the national director of Vietnam Veterans for Kerry, told the Telegraph: "John was shocked by this. Gardner said that John used to take the boat four or five miles offshore 'every single night' so that it would be out of harm's way. John doesn't remember that and neither does the rest of the crew. They all think he's way off base."
In his Boston Globe interview, Mr Gardner also recalled an incident in 1968 in which he was slightly wounded, causing Sen Kerry to abort the boat's mission. "I said: 'Lt Kerry, I'm fine, nothing's wrong. I got a little flesh wound here.' But Kerry was already backing out of the canal, getting ready to run for it," he said.
Relations between the two men reached their low point after a Vietnamese boy was killed in an encounter with a fishing boat. The Kerry crew opened fire believing their craft was under attack. According to Mr Gardner, Lt Kerry blamed him for the tragedy.
"Kerry threatened me with a court-martial, screaming: 'What the hell do you think you're doing?' " said Mr Gardner. "Thankfully the whole crew verified there were weapons being shot at us. That was the end of it."
Sen Kerry described Mr Gardner's version of events as "made up".
"It's sad," he told his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, "but that's the way it goes in war, and especially in politics," a reference to Mr Gardner's apparently Republican sympathies.
"I've spent hours on the phone to him [Gardner]," said Mr Hurley. "But he won't back down on his story, even though the crew disagree with him."
Mr Brinkley, who interviewed Mr Gardner for an hour last week, said afterwards: "It essentially boils down to one word: politics. Gardner is sickened by the idea of Kerry as president."
An angry Mr Gardner, however, insisted: "I never made the first call to anyone. Until someone called me, I kept it all to myself."
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posted on
03/15/2004 8:39:36 AM PST
by
optimistically_conservative
(If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
To: optimistically_conservative
Benedict Arnold once served America (the colonies) honorably. A person's past is not always indicative of their present or future, unless you examine voting records.
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posted on
03/15/2004 8:40:02 AM PST
by
xrp
To: optimistically_conservative
I'll pose a nagging question again - did Kerry request a Purple Heart for Gardner and if not, why?
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posted on
03/15/2004 8:42:25 AM PST
by
mtbopfuyn
To: xrp
The problem is not that he Was a coward, but that he IS a coward. If he loses in the US he can always run for Prime Minister of Spain.
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posted on
03/15/2004 8:45:08 AM PST
by
BadAndy
(Liberalism is a disease)
To: xrp
In England, Benedict Arnold was a hero, too.
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posted on
03/15/2004 8:50:57 AM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
In England Benedict Arnold was a hero, too...Actually, the British viewed Arnold, post Revolution, with contempt. He died bitter, in debt, and friendless...
the infowarrior
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:02:45 AM PST
by
infowarrior
(TANSTAAFL)
To: Blood of Tyrants
"Kerry Rejects Claim He Was A Coward"
Did anyone really expect him to claim otherwise? It's not whether or not he was a coward, it's the fact that he is a coward that worries me.
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:03:12 AM PST
by
Russ
To: Blood of Tyrants
Based on Kerry's behavior last 40 years, I believe the guy!
To: optimistically_conservative
"Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are staunch supporters of their former comrades White House bid."I have to wonder about how large this "group" is. I am a Viet Nam vet, and I know and work with quite a number of other vets, none of whom support this idiot.
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:15:49 AM PST
by
DaiHuy
(MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
To: optimistically_conservative
"Gardner has refused to join the tight-knit group of Vietnam veterans who are staunch supporters of their former comrades White House bid.
However, Kerry has described his the former crewmans version of events as "made-up".
"Its sad," he told his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, "but thats the way it goes in war, and especially in politics."
The Kerry Attack Machine was in full attack mode on this story I see.
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:16:15 AM PST
by
Skywarner
(Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
To: optimistically_conservative
"It's sad," he told his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, "but that's the way it goes in war, and especially in politics," a reference to Mr Gardner's apparently Republican sympathies. Which are publicly expressed where?
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:18:54 AM PST
by
Colonel_Flagg
("An appeal is when you ask one court to show its contempt for another court." -- Finley Peter Dunne)
To: optimistically_conservative
Kerry might be a hero in Massachusetts but he's a wimp and a coward in Texas!
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:21:47 AM PST
by
lonestar
(Don't mess with Texans)
To: optimistically_conservative
Okay, who's got the pic of Kerry catching the football like a little girl?
To: mtbopfuyn
I don't know, couldn't find it thru google. It is a good question.
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:35:17 AM PST
by
optimistically_conservative
(If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
To: DaiHuy
I find it interesting that the media presents the VVFK as representative while heaping sketicism on the VVAK.
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:36:32 AM PST
by
optimistically_conservative
(If consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, John F. Kerry’s mind must be freaking enormous. T.B.)
To: Skywarner
Lets take a look at his military records
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:40:42 AM PST
by
hetzman
To: optimistically_conservative
---John Hurley, the national director of the Vietnam Veterans for Kerry, said: "John was shocked by this. They all think hes way off base."---
We need to see Kerry's military records and particularily his medical records.
The man is running for President, not mayor of San Francisco.
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posted on
03/15/2004 9:59:17 AM PST
by
claudiustg
(Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
To: optimistically_conservative
If Kerry is no coward why won't he tell the American people who the world leaders are that support him?
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posted on
03/15/2004 10:01:55 AM PST
by
fella
To: optimistically_conservative
bump cuz I want to track this idiot's service record.
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posted on
03/15/2004 10:11:27 AM PST
by
ibbryn
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