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To: longjack
If you are reading Spiegel, then you also read the articles about new measures now in law-enforcement as a reaction to Madrid.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,290634,00.html

The reaction on the street? Shocked though calm, nothing like 9/11, when 150.000 Berliners took to the streets to demonstrate their sympathy with Americans. It is not "Europe's 9/11". Perhaps Spain's, not Europe's.

And to those not reading foreign press: It's not as if Europe doesn't understand the threat from terror - Europe 'only' differed strongly with Bush on his phony arguments on the Saddam-issue - and as history showed on WMD, who was right? Germany is quite aware that a "big one" could also happen here due to our engagement in Afghanistan.
46 posted on 03/15/2004 3:22:13 AM PST by Berliner Baer
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To: Berliner Baer
Europe 'only' differed strongly with Bush on his phony arguments on the Saddam-issue - and as history showed on WMD, who was right?

Right, give the inspectors more time... Who provided the pressure to get the inspectors back into Iraq again or do you think that was brought about by diplomatic pressure?

Some people know that Desert Storm wasn't over, never ended, including some bad guys using infidels stationed in Saudi Arabia (to maintain a no fly zone) as a recruitment tool.

Germany is quite aware that a "big one" could also happen here due to our engagement in Afghanistan.

Germany's inclusion in darul-Harb (zone of war) has nothing to do with Afghanistan.

170 posted on 03/15/2004 9:29:38 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: Berliner Baer
And to those not reading foreign press: It's not as if Europe doesn't understand the threat from terror - Europe 'only' differed strongly with Bush on his phony arguments on the Saddam-issue - and as history showed on WMD, who was right? Germany is quite aware that a "big one" could also happen here due to our engagement in Afghanistan.

Truly incredible. The only reason Germany and France differed on the Saddam issue is that they stood to get huge sums of money from the murderous dictator in oil business contracts and France liked to sell them various weapon systems. You hypocrites accused us of going to war for oil when your own governments, in order to secure future business and oil money with Hussien, would rather let a tyrant continue to fill mass graves. I suspect the reason for the UNs hesitation was that the "cash cow" Oil for Food Program would end and they would be exposed for skimming the money. As for your point about a full belly being less agressive, you obviously know nothing about the middle east. Most Arabs don't work and do nothing if it relates to manual labor. They don't have too as some of the revenue from oil and natural gas is doled out to arab citizens by their governments. In three of the middle eastern countries I have been in recently, all labor is done by imported Third Country Nationals. It's not the TCNs that are spouting the anti-western rhetoric in this part of the world. Furthermore, if the TCNs left, the countries would fall apart and nothing would get done. A recent article in the Peninsula newspaper on the country of Brunei stated that there was poverty in Brunei, with the caveat being that this poverty would be considered upper middle class in most countries. All of the Arabs in the current country I am in, have full stomachs. They are not wanting here of any amenity. Please quit perpetuating the myth that the "root" cause of terrorism is poverty. It is a blatant lie. The cause of terroism is simply ideology.
192 posted on 03/15/2004 12:32:27 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting--N.S)
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