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Euro isolationism is triumphant
The Telegraph ^ | 15 March, 2004 | Editorial staff

Posted on 03/14/2004 4:55:32 PM PST by Eurotwit

The thumping defeat inflicted upon the Right-wing Popular Party in yesterday's Spanish elections was a blow for the war on terrorism. Jose Maria Aznar, the outgoing prime minister, took big risks to back the United States after September 11, and most especially to send troops to Iraq. Even his decision to take on his home-grown insurgency in the Basque country went against the grain of much elite opinion. He may well have mishandled last week's terrorist atrocities in Madrid. But whoever was responsible - whether al-Qaeda or ETA - will be pleased to have intervened so successfully in a democratic ballot. Spaniards died in industrial quantities, and the first instinct of many voters was to take it out on their government. If terrorism has succeeded there, where will be next?

The election will be remembered as heralding the rise of ‘‘euro isolationism''. Large numbers of Spanish voters succumbed to the delusion that if Mr Aznar, had not lent support to the Anglo-American coalition, then their homeland would be safer. The credibility of the government was affected, as in this country, by the apparent failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This, in turn, impacted upon the public trust placed in their interpretation of who was responsible for last week's atrocities. It also appears that elements in the Spanish security forces were angered by what they considered to be their government's opportunism in initially blaming the more obviously unpopular target of Eta (rather than al-Qa'eda) and went over the heads of the Interior Ministry to speak to the opposition Socialists and to the press. They seem to have based their reasoning upon the need to alert Europe as a whole to the Islamist threat, but the effect appears to have been to hand victory for the Socialists who have taken a far less robust view of the war on terror.

Why do such wide swathes of Spanish - and, indeed, British opinion - take a "nothing to do with us, Guv'' view of international terrorism? Partly, it has been a failure of communication, not least of American public diplomacy. The European Left, no less than Islamist polemicists, has for years been besmirching the United States as the ‘‘Great Satan''; and, in the face of that, most American missions have for much of the time emitted little more than a pip-squeak. Above all, the Americans and sympathetic European governments have not managed to convey the idea that there is no policy shift which they might undertake that would appreciably alter Islamist behaviour. The idea abounds that if the West somehow withdrew from Iraq or transferred more wealth to the mases of the Maghreb that all of this would stop. De-ideologised, post-modern man is particularly bad at grasping the ideological nature of its foes. The fact that many Islamists believe in reversing the reconquista of the Iberian peninsula appears to have made little difference to millions of Spaniards. The desire not to take our enemies at face value, in word and deed, is the hallmark of much of contemporary Europe.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: election; euroisolationism; isolationism; madridbombing; spain; spanishelections
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1 posted on 03/14/2004 4:55:32 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
The terrorist have won in Spain. I guess we all lose a battle once in a while, its a damn shame that the people of Spain gave in. Its a Euro thing.
2 posted on 03/14/2004 5:00:27 PM PST by St.Mark
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To: Eurotwit
"The desire not to take our enemies at face value, in word and deed, is the hallmark of much of contemporary Europe."

Same applies to the Left in this country.

3 posted on 03/14/2004 5:01:09 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: St.Mark
I wouldnt call it a win till the new govt gets the next list of demands from terrorists. If they cave, its a win.
4 posted on 03/14/2004 5:05:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
This is a very black day...

AQ will now attack the next weakest link.........Italy.

5 posted on 03/14/2004 5:07:16 PM PST by Dog
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To: cripplecreek
AQ won this round....no way to spin it.

Spain got whacked ......and tucked tail and ran.

6 posted on 03/14/2004 5:08:33 PM PST by Dog
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To: cripplecreek
The vote in Spain says "Sorry Mr. Terrorist for offending you. We will never again do so. Please leave us be, we are no longer on the side of your enemy."
7 posted on 03/14/2004 5:10:53 PM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: Eurotwit
The desire not to take our enemies at face value, in word and deed, is the hallmark of much of contemporary Europe."

Ironically, this is a self-correcting mistake. It will only be clear to the Spaniards and the rest of the Europeans that complacency will not stop a determined enemy after they have suffered more bloody attacks from the islamo-nutballs.

The Europeans never learn. This is a reply of the early stages of WWII. It took the fall of France to wake up the Euro-morons to the reality that placating Hitler would only encourage him and not bring peace.

8 posted on 03/14/2004 5:16:14 PM PST by trek
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To: trek; Dog; Miss Marple; Howlin; JohnHuang2; Registered; xzins; All
"....post-modern man is particularly bad at grasping the ideological nature of its foes."

Will we elect our own post-modernist this November?

9 posted on 03/14/2004 5:19:56 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Eurotwit
Why do such wide swathes of Spanish - and, indeed, British opinion - take a "nothing to do with us, Guv'' view of international terrorism? Partly, it has been a failure of communication, not least of American public diplomacy.

I think the failure is not so much in our diplomacy, as in Europe's overweening self-interest. It's next to impossible to talk to people who have their fingers in their ears.

Thomas Jefferson had the same problem convincing The Old World (Europeans) to co-operate with America in resisting the attacks and demands for tribute of the Barbary Pirates.

In the early 1800's, the European countries took turns being gleeful and fearful, depending on whether the pirates were attacking them or attacking another European country rather than them.

The Barbary pirates had a great "divide and conquer" strategy. Just like the Islamists have today.

"Jefferson's plan for an international coalition [against the Barbary Pirates] foundered on the shoals of [European] indifference and a belief that it was cheaper to pay the tribute than fight a war."---Gerard W. Gawalt, Manuscript Division, Library of Congress
We must remember this...
By 1800 a new slogan was beginning to appear across the new country, "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." ...

"After the conclusion of the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815, inspired by America's example, Great Britian and Holland ended their policies of appeasement by bombarding Algier's fleet and fortresses."

See citation for above quote at:Dutch "expert": Netherlands Safe from Terrorism

The continued existence of this African piracy was indeed a disgrace to Europe, for it was due to the jealousies of the powers themselves. France encouraged them [Barbary pirates] during her rivalry with Spain; and when, she had no further need of them [the Barbary pirates] were supported against her by Great Britain and Holland.

In the 18th century British public men were not ashamed to say that Barbary piracy was a useful check on the competition of the weaker Mediterranean nations in the carrying trade. When Lord Exmouth sailed to coerce Algiers in 1816, he expressed doubts in a private letter whether the suppression of piracy would be acceptable to the trading community.

See citation for above quote at:Dutch "expert": Netherlands Safe from Terrorism

10 posted on 03/14/2004 5:21:32 PM PST by syriacus (Time to repeal the 22nd Amendment. Give Bush three or four terms like FDR had.)
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To: syriacus
It's next to impossible to talk to people who have their fingers in their ears.

Likewise, those with their hands in each others pockets.

11 posted on 03/14/2004 5:22:47 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: syriacus
Europe has a bigger problem just over the horizon....When the Muslims begin to take power in Europe ....not by elections...but by force. These people will start to scream terrorism. But by then it won't be Bush they can blaim. Just themselves.
12 posted on 03/14/2004 5:25:09 PM PST by Dallas59
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To: Eurotwit
Vote for sunshine and cookies at 3. They really think others care how they think. The godless murderers care.
13 posted on 03/14/2004 5:25:25 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Dallas59
By voting the way they did....they just helped murder 200 of thier own people.
14 posted on 03/14/2004 5:26:29 PM PST by Dallas59
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To: Eurotwit
This is really short sighted on the part of the Spanish, as one of OBL's stated greivances is Islam's loss of Andalucia, i.e. Spain.
15 posted on 03/14/2004 5:28:11 PM PST by ottothedog
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To: Eurotwit
I'm waiting for the Sun headline: Spain on knees before terrorists!
16 posted on 03/14/2004 5:28:24 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: Eurotwit
I don't think our diplomacy has anything to do with it. You can't influence public opinion in another country to that degree. It's their choice.

I do think we should start pulling troops out of Germany and moving them where they will be useful. We have spoken about it, but so far we have done nothing. It's time to start putting our money where our mouth is.
17 posted on 03/14/2004 5:28:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eurotwit
The Telegraph is like a fresh breeze of common sense amongst the collective farting of most Eurpoean media. It is a damn shame the citizen of Spain were cowed into imitating the French.
18 posted on 03/14/2004 5:29:30 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trap-door if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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Yeah that was a great piece. I can't imagine reading anything that clear headed in any major American newspaper (outside of the WSJ Op/Ed page and the Washington Times).
19 posted on 03/14/2004 5:33:42 PM PST by ottothedog
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To: anniegetyourgun
"Will we elect our own post-modernist this November?"

Oddly, I remain optimistic on this front at the moment. I see no evidence to suggest that the American people have fallen as far as their European contemporaries (residents of Santa Monica and the Upper West Side of Manhattan excluded of course). There is every reason to believe that Bush is going to win in November. And, more importantly, he is going to win because of his aggressive stance with regard to the Islamo-nutballs.

20 posted on 03/14/2004 5:33:50 PM PST by trek
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